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#21
08-12-2007, 02:09 AM
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Re: What do you think of this car? Hemmings ....
I think you summed it up best when you said you built the car the way the customer wanted, which is fine. I withdraw my clone statment since a clone is an accurat copy. This car is more of a custom, built how the owner wanted, not how GM would ever built it, which is fine as long as it is not trying to be passed off as correct. Your statements of what this car might have been originally are of course speculation, and nobody will ever know for sure. The facts just don't support your statement of it maybe being a COPO 9737, which was not available alone or on a SS in 69. Did you see any clues that it might have been a COPO 9561? 13/16" sway bars probably were available from the GM dealer back in the day, $249 at Ricks today.
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#22
08-12-2007, 03:00 AM
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Re: What do you think of this car? Hemmings ....
Aren't you coming off a bit too defensive?
[ QUOTE ] Why is that so hard for you to believe? Were you there when this particular Camaro was built on the GM line. [/ QUOTE ] I wasn't even BORN yet! But I must ask . . . were you there? Because the way you're asking me, you must have!  Think about it - why would Chevrolet make it a thing to add a black panel to all SS396 cars like the Chevelle, yet exempt a Camaro if it was black (or Fathom Green, for that matter)? Doesn't that sound like a logical question? [ QUOTE ] Maybe the person/dealer ordering this car decided they didnt want a blacked out rear panel. [/ QUOTE ] Then that should be backed up with documentation; however, according to the article, some experts are in disagreement whether these cars were exempt from the black. [ QUOTE ] The car did not have a black out panel when and it came to us, but all the signs indicated it was a L78. And here is clue we built the car the way the customer wanted. [/ QUOTE ] Bravo for the owner getting what he wanted!  But it still doesn't answer the question. 
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#23
08-12-2007, 05:41 AM
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Re: What do you think of this car? Hemmings ....
I HAVE SEEN THIS PARTICULAR CAR IN OTHER PUBLICATIONS IN THE PAST ALSO ADVERTISED AS A 9737 CONVERSION. THE RESTORER MENTIONED IN ONE OF HIS POSTS THAT THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHAT HEMMINGS WRITES IN THEIR ARTICLES BUT THE SAME INFO IS IN OTHER PUBLICATIONS AS WELL. SOMEONE MUST BE TELLING THEM WHAT THEY FEEL THE CAR IS. I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS OR ISN'T A 9737 CONVERSION BUT IF THERE IS NO DOCUMENTATION TO SUPPORT THIS FIND THE QUESTION STILL STANDS AND THAT HOW IT SHOULD BE IN PRINT.... JUST MY .02 CENTS... COOL CAR JUST THE SAME... KP
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08-12-2007, 06:57 AM
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Re: What do you think of this car? Hemmings ....
Like I said..Nice car. Build them however you want to. It's up to the owner to enjoy what he has. Nobody else has to like it....BUT.. When things appear in print,I feel it's up for discussion. Thanks to many inaccurate articles ,the nonsense is often taken as gospel.Creative writing by the mag? Maybe... maybe not.I'm done....
Steve
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#25
08-13-2007, 02:15 AM
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Re: What do you think of this car? Hemmings ....
Like all of you, I was not in Norwood or LA when these cars were built because my father thought ninth grade was more important. I don't know about black rear panels being a "cast in stone" situation. I don't know how to unquestionably document how all these cars were built with NO help from GM (ala Pontiac). I don't know where Hemmings or any other publication comes up with some of the stuff I read and personal experience has shown THEY DO TAKE SOME JOURNALISTIC FREEDOM after gathering facts. But there is one thing I am damn sure about:
You guys have offended one of the finest gentlemen in our hobby, Dave Lindsley. A long time sYc member and contributor, Dave is one of the guys I think of when I tell people how the best friends I have came to me thru the car hobby. He is on my list with people like Chip Miller and Mark Hassett. I'm saddened and ashamed Dave is feeling lousy about this. He's the real thing, my friend Dave.
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#26
08-13-2007, 03:18 AM
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Re: What do you think of this car? Hemmings ....
According to the article it was done starting in 1996 ? Think back to how much we didn't know 11 years ago and the cars resto would probably seem fine. The car has a 8000 rpm tach and 11 years ago I would have thought that was fine but today I believe all the big block cars got 7000 tachs so maybe the tach was added ? We all know more about these cars these days but Dave has nothing to feel bad about. The article should have been published 11 years ago. I had my old L78 SS convert on the cover of Muscle Car Review in 1990 with a silver grill in all it's glory because a friend convinced me the SS should have a silver grill. Yes Daves car is very inncorrect by todays standards but please remember it was restored 11 years ago. At least he still has it.
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#27
08-13-2007, 03:40 AM
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Re: What do you think of this car? Hemmings ....
I am truly saddened and kinda pissed off about this happening. I just got back from my dads funeral...only to see this "hoohaw" happening. Dave is one of the "good guys" in this hobby...and he and I have had numerous discussions with Dave regarding the very subject being discussed here...and I told him...don't worry...it wont happen...Hmmm, I guess I over estimated you guys...
Dave shouldn't need to answer to you here who have had nothing good to say...he owes you nothing! He is a fine gentleman...a great human being with a wonderful wife...who had hot rods before most of the people complaining here were born...  I was working with Dave to feature some of his other cool cars...for Members Rides. I've seen some of his cars in person (you see, Dave was nice enough to drive my family around on his coin to go and check them out) but I think we'll just forget about that now...  BTW...magazines NEVER embellish any of their stories... BTW, Dave DRIVES his cars...and enjoys them like they are supposed to be... Hey Diego and 69SSZL1...let's see what you got  ! Why don't you do me a favor and send your muscle car pics and write up for members rides...At least they will be safe from ridicule there...It's funny, when the initial post was put up abot Dave's Camaro being in Hemmings...right after his Z28 was on the cover last month...there was nary a word out of anyone... Do me and everyone else here a favor...if you have nothing good to say, don't say anything...
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08-13-2007, 04:21 AM
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Re: What do you think of this car? Hemmings ....
Now this is getting beyond ridiculous.
 I cannot find anywhere where the owner or restorer is being slurred by or anyone else. If anything, the major criticism is with a magazine that is not doing a good job of transmitting the facts to people like me who want to understand more of these cars. I don't want to worry about stepping on someone's toes in expressing an opinion or a question. 
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#29
08-13-2007, 04:39 AM
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Re: What do you think of this car? Hemmings ....
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Now this is getting beyond ridiculous. I cannot find anywhere where the owner or restorer is being slurred by or anyone else. If anything, the major criticism is with a magazine that is not doing a good job of transmitting the facts to people like me who want to understand more of these cars. I don't want to worry about stepping on someone's toes in expressing an opinion or a question. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] This Hemmings car has no proof of being an original L78. It certainly was not cloned correctly as an SS. Silver grill, no side gills, emblem placement, Holley R4557 carb, even an upside down air cleaner seal! The restorer also claims it's a Sports Car Coversion, which was not availible in 69 without a COPO order also-69ssZL1 As for the 9737....Where do you find 15" steels and what would the codes be? Should be rally wheels....I like the pic of the "test fit half quarter".How and why would you use a POS repop to test fit a NOS panel? Apples and oranges.My guess is the repop is on the car...Nice car, but far from correct..I ain't buying the stories..68L30 Steve About $189 from Classic Industries. 69SSzl1 Aren't you coming off a bit too defensive? Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why is that so hard for you to believe? Were you there when this particular Camaro was built on the GM line. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I wasn't even BORN yet! But I must ask . . . were you there? Because the way you're asking me, you must have! Think about it - why would Chevrolet make it a thing to add a black panel to all SS396 cars like the Chevelle, yet exempt a Camaro if it was black (or Fathom Green, for that matter)? Doesn't that sound like a logical question? Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Maybe the person/dealer ordering this car decided they didnt want a blacked out rear panel. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then that should be backed up with documentation; however, according to the article, some experts are in disagreement whether these cars were exempt from the black. Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The car did not have a black out panel when and it came to us, but all the signs indicated it was a L78. And here is clue we built the car the way the customer wanted. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bravo for the owner getting what he wanted! But it still doesn't answer the question.-442W30 [/ QUOTE ] You find it easy enough to pick apart a car that isn't yours....If you need the questions that you have answered...maybe you should call Hemmings...as you seem to believe everything else that they have printed... Yea you're right...it definitely is The offer still stands...show me what you got...let's feature it! 
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08-13-2007, 04:42 AM
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Re: What do you think of this car? Hemmings ....
I'm gonna take a break for awhile....there are more important things to attend to...
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