70-71 CAMARO BB 4SPD

[SS427]

Reminds me of a certain LS-6 that was supposably manufactured in Oct or Nov 69 that Chuck Hanson and a select other few have seen. I respect the man beyond words but until someone can show me and other researchers a real piece of documentation it does not exist.
Rick

[rsatz28]

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I don't have this book but just out of curiosity what Antonick's credentials?


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I did a quick Google search and many links with his name deal with Vettes.

[Late BrakeU2]

Paging Jim Mattison..

[DarrenX33]

You know that's what I was thinking to.. He is going to be at the reunion...

[Charley Lillard]

Darren...The info was not hard to obtain. The owner frequently brought the car to club meetings. He also frequently brought the build sheet in a binder with him. He dug his heels in when basically he had his car called a fake by Chuck. This guy has owned and probably owns more 70 Camaro's than Chuck ever has. To him there is no other Camaro than a 70. I'm sure he would probably allow me a day to look the car over but it is not high on my list of things to do.
I don't need to get into a pissing contest. I am just making my point that I am that sure the car and build sheet are real by offering to bet 5K. If anyone such as Chuck is so absolutely sure that it is a fake I would think they would jump at the chance to make 5K.

[njsteve]

I do love when people quote selections from books written by experts that later prove to be incorrect. One of the best was the Mopar expert books that would consistently state that the nose cones on the Daytonas and Superbirds were made of fiberglass. Absolutely incorrect. They were all steel from the factory. One writer back in 1969 assumed they were glass before ever seeing a real car in person and then every book writer from then on quoted his assumption for the next 30 years even though everyone that owns/or owned one knew better. But you couldn't convince the experts otherwise until you literally rubbed their noses in it.

Hey, does anyone remember a time when no one believed that a 69 Camaro ever came with an aluminum 427?

[DarrenX33]

That part of the story I didn't know. Thanks Charley.

[70 copo]

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I don't have this book but just out of curiosity what Antonick's credentials? Just wondering where he got his information..

I tend to agree that if Charley says there is one, there is. However, it is odd that the info on the car is so hard to obtain. I find it interesting that this is such a hot topic.

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I checked the Library here at the house and sure enough the original source seems to be Michael Lamm from his book "The Great Camaro" Lamm-Morada Publishing Co. ISBN 0-932128-00-9 (Third printing February 1980).

Page 114 Discusses the lack of TH as an option specifically on '70 with L-78.

Quote from the second paragraph: "with Turbo Hydro optional on all but the L-78 396"

Again on the same page in the 6th paragraph-quote: "In the Super Sport option (Z27; $289.65), the L-48 350 came standard, or you could order the L-34 or the L-78 396's with the 4 speed." "Turbo-Hydra-Matic was optional for the L-48 and the L-34."

Finally in the specifications section of this same book (on page 139) the "1970 Camaro Drivetrain chart" lists L-78 with TH for 1970 as N.O. (not offered)

Factual or not I am not taking a position on the matter at this point.

I will say that even by today's standards the writing of Lamm holds up very well factually even after all these years, however with only about 1/6th of the L-78's made (located to date) we can all speculate on what Chevy did or did not make.

At any rate -I think we have the original source of the information carried forward by Antonick in his book.

Phil

[njsteve]

BTW, here's a second generation GM F-body car that was never available, that just popped up on ebay. A black 1972 Trans Am. Everyone knows that they were only available in white or blue...everyone it ends up, but the guy at the factory that somehow got it built. Read the thread - all 5 pages. It's funny how it starts and how everybody is badmouthing the seller and the car (myself included) until the documents get posted and authenticated...then everyone, (myself included) tries to get the guy to sell after he decideds to keep it!

In the end, until someone brings the documents and/or the car forward to be authenticated, it's still just a "maybe."


http://216.178.81.108/forums/showthr...d&t=486878

-Steve

[Rick H]

What are the chances someone can go look at the car?

Of course without having to pay $5,000 to do so.

Rick H.