GMMG ZL1 - Page 3

**Stefano** · #21 12-30-2002, 10:03 PM

The 1969 ZL1 COPO Super Cars were also not officially endorsed to the public or general dealer body by GM, the corporate entity.

JoeC · #22 12-30-2002, 11:02 PM

Did Chevrolet ever use the name ZL1 Camaro? I don't think so. The 1969 Corvette had an option called RPO ZL1 but the aluminum engine Camaro was option COPO 9560. There were prototype Camaros with ZL1 emblems but they did not escape the factory. Although it is well known today, I don't believe "ZL1 Camaro" was ever used as an official name in 1969.

**Stefano** · #23 12-31-2002, 12:06 AM

I would agree, it was the 'public' which used the ZL1 and Camaro together as they are often referred to today.

There has been info provided, that one of the Prototype ZL1 Camaros was indeed sold to the same dealership which purchased many of the Central Offices special vehicles such as, all the unsold 1969 Camaro Indy/festival Pace Cars, Two Z16 Chevelles as well as many other special cars.

**hvychev** · #24 12-31-2002, 12:14 AM

Stefano was that dealer <font color="red">* </font color>.....

BTW I had a coutomer on Christmas eve that gave me quite a cool history about one J.D., Mr. Ed, and Jack Loftus Ford where he bought several Shelbys back in the 60's from. Quite interesting Chi Town dealer info.

sYc · #25 12-31-2002, 12:26 AM

"I would agree, it was the 'public' which used the ZL1 and Camaro together as they are often referred to today."

Fred Gibb first used the term "ZL-1 Camaro" in ads to describe the cars.

**Stefano** · #26 12-31-2002, 12:33 AM

Frank,
How ironic,I'm working a deal on a suspected Jack Loftus 1969 Shelby GT 500. They did sell quite a few Shelby's here in Chicago land. An early Shelby was recently found in Desplains, IL. It had been hidden by the wife in a Divorce situation for many years. The Shelby was purchased off of Mr, Norm's used car lot less than a couple of years after it was sold new.

sYc · #27 12-31-2002, 12:38 AM

Stefano, Your saying that Chevrolet, a division of GM, was able to produce this car, through the normal COPO process, at the Norwood plant, without GM's blessing or ever knowing. WOW!

**Stefano** · #28 12-31-2002, 12:43 AM

Tom,
Looks like that would be definitive,thanks for making the point.

Frank,
Yes it was the <font color="red"> * </font color>dealer. If you got some cool info start a new thread and share it. The only way I got any of the info is second hand and would like to find out more.

**hvychev** · #29 12-31-2002, 03:25 AM

Stefano my customer was in today and I gave him a printout of an ad that I think you posted a while back of Jack Douglas and Berganse Chevrolet. The reason that I gave him the ad is because he personal friends with Mr Ed I think his last name is Shoanthaller?(sp) He keeps in regular contact with him and was going to see him tomorrow. He ratteled off many other names and people that he knows from the area. He told me that he had a 1965 GTO bought brand new with every performance option that could be ordered, 3 Shelbys and an actual AC 427 Cobra. I know that the guy was legit and on the level. No B.S. with this guy. I could go on but this is Ford stuff!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] I will get to see him on Jan 6th to get a remote start installed on his new car and I could pass along your contact info to him.

**Stefano** · #30 12-31-2002, 03:41 AM

No Tom I did not say or mean any such thing. That would be a ridiculous statement [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]

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