E-Bay '69 Yenko Disguised As a Z-28 Clone!

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bergy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here's another tid bit - many folks may not know that there is a mandate for all of the individual state DMVs to communicate with each other. I believe that the deadline in PA was this past Spring. Of course, many states are running behind. I personally wouldn't be surprised if there are a lot of vin's that are duplicated in different states. That's gonna be a real dog's breakfast! It just points out the need for ownership documentation folks. You probably remember when POPs were considered rock solid documentation - now, even the experts get fooled. Block stamping - the same way. With the value of these cars, somebody's gonna figure out how to stamp cowls - perfectly. Never say never.
I gotta get back to work on this project - I may not check in for a while - out of country next week. </div></div>

I've mentioned this before, but a few years back I came up with a rough Hemi Super Bee body. Not only missing the dash vin and fender tag, the body stampings had been torched out as well. The previous owner claimed he had no paperwork, and was not interested enough to dig around. I sat on the car for about 6 months, but finally had no choice but to sell what pieces were usable and junk the rest.

I know of a 71 429 CJ Mach 1 in similar circumstances (the orginal selling dealer is still in business and remembers the car well, but has no records to pull a vin off of), and I know of a Cortez 69 Camaro that I'm 99% sure was a COPO, but again, no numbers and no way to find them.

I recall a massive brouhaha in the Mopar commmunity a few years back regarding an extraordinarily well faked 71 383 Cuda convertible pilot car. Until a friend of the original owner stepped forward with pictures documenting that the car was a plain jane 318, rather than a loaded 383, that car had everyone fooled.

[bergy]

&quot;happened to another Yenko Camaro right here in SE Pennsylvania!&quot;

Amazing - plus the fact that this stuff happens right in your back yard! Maybe this area is cursed!

[snydes]

Seems there are/were quite a few Yenko's floating around this area... why can't I find one!!

[Big Block 69]

I remember reading that the 1953 Corvette serial #003 got separated from it's original numbered frame. Someone put another body on that frame and now there are TWO legal 1953 Corvettes serial #003.

[Jack_Tar]

It would be easy to duplicate titles using a state that does not title old cars. Alabama does not title cars older than 1974. If an Alabama registered car is sold out of state, all you get is a bill of sale and a copy of registration. When you apply for a title in another state, the only information that they have is the bill of sale info. As long as the vin tag on the dash matches the vin on the bill of sale and the Alabama reg. you get a title with that vin.

[vfitom]

Reference post #435721 on 11/11, I never received any PM.............

[bergy]

Tom - Just do what #435721 says and you'll get the answer(s). It's just a bunch of second hand bloviating designed to make people with no knowledge feel important.

[volspeed1970]

I have a question regarding this issue, and that is if the cowl was replaced what does it matter other than the hidden vins? If the top of the dash was not replaced and the rest of the car is original, then replacing the cowl due to crash damage does not make this car a rebody. Does it? I had an SS396 Camaro that was hit hard down low on the drivers side firewall and cowl side many moons ago. To fix it I replaced the entire firewall and cowl cowl with one from a donor car as reproduction parts were not available, nor were nos GM pieces. I didn't care about numbers back then, so I would assume the hidden vins from the donor car were on the parts we used to fix my car. We split it under the base of the windshield at the dash and then along the floor seam at the toeboards. Unless you pulled the carpet and kick panels out you would never know it was replaced. Now I am wondering if that car ever resurfaces will people question its legitimacy as a real SS car....probably. Most might even think it is a rebody though it isn't since the dash vin was not removed and installed in another car.

Bergy I think you may be going down the right path, but it would be good money to have Jerry show up to do a full inspection before you start doing anything to the body of that car. Then while he is there have someone with a portable soda-blaster remove the paint from the firewall and cowl area. I wouldn't use a grinder as that may or may not mask any previous work done. Then at that time I would report Jerry's findings to the Camaro world. Good luck with whatever you choose to do.

[Hylton]

Note to self - run from 616414 when it eventually comes up for sale. Going back to Van's COPO thread now.....

[vfitom]

Tracker, you state: &quot;car retains one hidden VIN&quot;. Thus, If you have the original car with that original hidden vin, and you legally have the title with that listed VIN, YOU own that car.