One Wild Pontiac

[Steve_Hoog]

I tell you what, I will take one of each of the cars you described. Then all will be settled.



You are way past me on all this, I know I saw two HO Lemans and that is the only for sure part. I strongly believe they had the 455 emblem, maybe I can get down and take some pics. Both are still here.

This yellow car that started this thread is one sharp ride, and I would die to have it.

[Steve_Hoog]

OK, check out these goodies that Gary sent me.

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steve, both of my 72 lemans ram air 455-ho cars have these emblems. all of the ho lemans cars that i have seen in 72 have these. also notice that in the same 1972 pontiac sales manual under the endura styling option code 602-upc T41 that is says the endura option is quote " available on all lemans series with a v-8 engine. NOT available with the GT option or lemans station wagon with wood grain side panels." this is NOT correct because one of my cars is a 72 lemans SPORT/GT with the 455-ho ram air (which has to be the endura option). don is clearly wrong. gary

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[Steve_Hoog]

Jack can you verify or deny the GT cut out in the stripe front side of the tire is correct? I think I've seen that somewhere before but can't find it yet?

[JLP]

Steved,

Had to go out for a while so missed the pm. A couple of things to remember on this. In both '71 & '72 when the 455HO was ordered the call out could be located in various locations. In '71 any of 3 places as noted above depending on the car. T-37 & GT-37 were the same. LeMans/LeMans Sport/GT0 were the same except for The Judge which was different yet. I have seen the 455HO in the correct location on the T-37, incorrect location and completely missing. The sword stripes as well as the eyebrow stripes could be ordered on any A body with any engine as long as it was a 2 dr in '71. On the GT-37 the GT was part of the stripe. The T-37 could not be ordered with the t-41 endra nose but could be ordered on any 2 dr LeMans in '71.

In '72 you could order the t-41 nose on any 2 dr A body as the 455HO was optional also on any 2 dr A body. However, if you ordered the 455HO it was a mandatory option as was ram air, dual exhaust and hd 3 speed at a minimum.

In '71 the requirements for the GT-37 were as follows.
1. Any V8 was mandatory to order the GT package.
2. HD 3 speed trans.
3. Vinyl Stripes
4. Ralley II wheels w/o trim rings
5. G70X14 raised white leter tires
6. Hood pins
7. GT-37 identification on front fenders and trunk lid
8. GTO dual exhaust w/chrome tips through cutouts on rear valance
That was it. You had to order anything else including carpets, posi, guages, ps,pb, pw, pdl or optional vinyl interior. It was an entry level car.

The stripe was solid on the GT-37, beginning with the 71 1/2, with the GT-37 cut out in the stripe and Pontiac below it on the front fender. Before that it was the eyebrow stripes. They were 2 color vs 3 color for Judge. These stripes could be ordered for any 2 dr A body.

In '70 the stripe was the '69 Judge stripe. This stripe could also be ordered on regular '70 GTO's.

In '72 the T-37 was dropped and the LeMans became the entry level car. (not sure of carpets in '72). The GT-37 became the LeMans GT. The only thing above that appears to be missing from '71 is the hood pins.

The biggest difference in '72 is that the T-41 endura nose could be ordered with any 2 dr V8. The stripes and cid call outs differed depending on the engine and with or with out the T-41 and type of car. Do not think you could get the t-41 on the Luxury LeMans but not sure on that one.

There were the following combinations just on 455HO on how stripe could be ordered and may appear differently as well as call out could be located differently.

455HO/Endura nose GTO
455HO/Endura nose non GTO
W/GT
W/O GT
All others
W/GT
W/O GT


You pick the instant graemlins. I'll give you a call tomorrow.

BTW, for that price where are the PHS Documents????

[Belair62]

GT 37 must be pretty rare today...I can only remember seein one when they were new...my girfriends brother worked at Seltzer pontiac in Chicago and her mom had a T 37...