Petition GM for all GM car info ???

[Hylton]

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I'd pay for any records they had on my car. Heck, I'd volunteer to help organize the data if they needed it. This is for the best interest of the hobby!

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That's the problem. It must be in the best interest of GM or at least approached in that manner.

[whitetop]

Pantera and others (except Camarojoe who is also a realist like me)
You might want to spend some time on another noble enduever. GM could probaly care less about these records that effect .000000000000000001% or less of their market. They are losing hundreds of millions of dollars per year. They now have only 24.8% market share and will be overtaken by Toyota next year as #1 seller of cars/trucks in the US.

GM just released a report 2 days ago they are are planning to sell 95,000 FEWER vehicles in first qtr 05 than what they did in first qtr 04. Probbaly one reason why their stock just took a dive in the last few days when just about everyone else is up.

GM sold bonds several years back to help fund their losses on their pensions plans that are just plain hemmorghing(sic). The SEC announced severla months ago they are now going to list them in the junk bond category. This company is in bad shape.

BTW, Ford sold off every bit of old parts tooling to a private company several years back and said it was not worth their effort to sell them as the profit was miniscule part of their daily operations. One of the mustang mags reported that Ford actually lost money selling old parts as the cost to keep up the sytem was more than the profits.

If GM was in the black you might get something done.

[Salvatore]

WOW Dave, You and Joe really got it down pat! Could not have said it any better than those two guys. GM is hanging on almost for dear life and they are going to do something to help the hobby? t in my life time. I don't even like their cars anymore. How about just giving us an SS truck to compete??

[William]

Posted by John Z, August 3, 2004 on the CRG site:

"This subject has been beaten to death on this and many other Camaro/Corvette/Chevelle forums for a long time, with all manner of weird conspiracy and liability theories being espoused, all of which is simply BS. Chevrolet has commissioned massive internal searches at least twice (I know the people personally who headed those efforts), and contracted with Jim Mattison's ASC firm (which owns PHS) three years ago to find the 30-40-year-old records, and nobody has found anything (and I doubt they ever will). GM is not in the business of saving and cataloging old paper records - they're in the business of selling cars and trucks. This subject makes great chatter at cruise-ins, but that's all it is - idle chatter and weird theories; don't hold your breath for some miraculous treasure trove of old records to surface. If anyone had found them, they would have surfaced by now."

[hugger_69]

I can appreciate both sides of this, but also think it will land on deaf ears at GM. I have a friend who talks with Jim quite often , and there is rumoured to be a warehouse full of old documents that covers some 800,000 sq feet. Manpower is one huge issue with regards to searching whats there, and at the end of the day, they might not find what their looking for. As for GM's take on this, they are very concerned that if found and released, they would be third party to a ton of Class Action lawsuits. The suits would be forthcoming from every person who bought a cloned Vette, Yenko or Copo, and just about every other falsely badged car the lawyers could find in their class action claim.

When the car carriers hauled these cars back in the day, there were documents to prove what options the cars had as they were shipped. This was a must for insurance claims so the underwriters could settle any damages that occured while in transit. That alone would prove the cars had paper and these are the documents rumoured to be in this storage facility. The big problem is that GM is not about to let anyone rumage through those files and potentially open a world of law suits for them should they be discovered. Can you imagine how many claims would drag GM into court stating that they (GM) had them all along when they denied them existing? Everyone would be saying that GM could have prevented them paying to much for a would be clone car if its was proved not to be real.

I'm sorry guys, but I would side with good luck on this ever happening. George Zapora at GM Canada said to me and I quote, "If they did exist, they would never be released because of the damage it would do to GM after all these years of claiming they don't exist". He seemed to think that even if they did exist, they would never be released. I think he is right, and as connected as Jim is, he might not ever get this done. Don't get me wrong as I am all for it. I would love to see the US owners get the same paper that Canadians have been fortunate to have had all along. It would sure flood the market with cheap clone cars though, and there would be people jumping out of 425 / 435 horse cars all over the place.

If only!

[68l30]

They might exist....But right now I think of them the same as Santa Claus,Bigfoot,and the Easter Bunny!


Steve

[Hylton]

What?!! Santa Claus is not real?

[John]

...I agree with Hylton..
...WHAT IF...included in the petition we all offered to convince (5) people within the next year to purchase a GM automobile!!
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just say we get ...what ....100,000 ...200,000 signatures
...Do you think that having 200,000 additional salesman out in the local neighborhoods talking up the GM products would make a difference?...I Do.
..What would be the additional profit they would make if they sold 800,000 to 1,000,000 more cars next year?
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...and GM...if your reading this ...sit down and run the numbers yourself behind closed doors
....this could be a whole new advertizing campaign...
...but what do I know ....I'm "just a salesman".

[JBB]

I think it would be great to have GM info, but lets look at the big picture. If those documents were released to the public, are we aware how many fraudulent vehicles would be found and how many law suits would be started due to that information? And that could bring suits against G.M. for not releasing the information sooner (possibly, I am not a Lawyer) Not to mention the fact that a percentage of reproduction car parts are sold with the intent (knowingly or not) of people making cars to suit their tastes, and or to misrepresent vehicles as a different car (R/S to Z28 or SS 396 to a COPO ect. I spoke to a legal person at Chevrolet (name withheld) and they stated off the record we will never see those build lists. There is way to much money involved in aftermarket parts and such,
so consequently I don't think it will never happen.......Joel

[Jeff H]

I personally don't think we'll ever see any information on Chevrolet cars. Regardless of whether it exists or not. And I don't see why GM would ever be worried about being sued over it. Why would GM have any responsibility if someone bought a fake/cloned car? The biggest risk might be the new privacy laws but that information could be masked out before releasing information. GM seems to be in a downward spiral right now so documenting 30-40 year old cars is not something they're worried about. But I'll keep my hopes up, it never hurts to be optimistic.