LOS COPO 9561

[PLATINUM6BBL]

I am no Camaro man having been into Mopars all my life. That said if I were looking to buy a high value Camaro I would trust the voices on this board. If the validity of it is called in to question on this board I would most definitely be walking away from it.

[70 copo]

Originally Posted by aafa701

thanks for your response. So understand I know 69 camaros decently, but not anything about the copo's, lol. So excuse my questions. So I hear and understand the date codes and build dates, but is this up for interpretation, or is it absolutely positively not real? I mean one post from someone said, I dont think we should put it in the registry. So sounds like its not considered a real copo car? i wonder how john cena bought it if it wasnt a real deal car for 175 grand? I saw something saying in 2017 from mecum it sold for 62,500. I mean how can this be? Also is the pic posted of the block and date code/VIN considered restamps? Looks to me like you can see the broching? any way someone might give me a call and discuss this more with me? it would mean the world obviously, cause I dont wanna buy a car thats not 100% legit. I thought it all checked out, but Im no expert on copos, so I needs some schoolin!! lol Thanks man

The first COPO's were built at Norwood. This car has major component parts that are either timeline incorrect, are restamps, or production non-existent when compared to the physical build date of the car.

I wrote the book on the Norwood plant and interviewed the guys who were involved with the COPO programs at the beginning of production.

This particular car is better described as a tribute or a recreation.

I hope this helps you in understanding the car.

[x33rs]

William is one of the most knowledgeable people I've ever met when it comes to 69 Camaros. I would heed his advice.

It's pretty well known that the ZL2 hoods weren't even in production until very late December and that's a mandatory option on the COPO cars. The #1 ZL1 was the first to get it and that car wasn't finished until Dec 30th or so? (Correct me William, I know that's close)


Just the hood dilemma would shy me away from this car despite how good the engine stamps may look.

[Tracker1]

Originally Posted by x33rs

) Just the hood dilemma would shy me away from this car despite how good the engine stamps may look.

And they don't look very good.

[William]

The earliest documented [at this time] production special ducted hood build is a Z/28 at Van Nuys, on or about December 27, 1968. At Norwood, ZL1 #1 was final assembled December 30, 1968. Both cars have production broadcast copies.

The press release notifying dealers of the ZL2 option is dated November 25, 1968. Typical order lead time was 28 days.

[NorCam]

Originally Posted by aafa701

i wonder how john cena bought it if it wasnt a real deal car for 175 grand?

Because at one time, he had more money than common sense and became the person who bought the car. If he would have done his homework here, perhaps he wouldn't have bought that car.

[Jonesy]

I said it 4 years ago and I will say it again. That engine pad stamping is a restamp.
Im glad I posted that picture of it and it possibly saves someone from getting screwed.

[Steve Shauger]

I've been contacted a few times about this car, most recently by Jeff L. in Colorado two weeks ago. There is nothing correct from build date, stampings, no history available and it's a VN built car and only one has been documented.

I'm not sure why we keep getting inquiries.... perhaps they don't like the obvious answer.

[Stefano]

Originally Posted by aafa701

thanks for your response. So understand I know 69 camaros decently, but not anything about the copo's, lol. So excuse my questions. So I hear and understand the date codes and build dates, but is this up for interpretation, or is it absolutely positively not real? I mean one post from someone said, I dont think we should put it in the registry. So sounds like its not considered a real copo car? i wonder how john cena bought it if it wasnt a real deal car for 175 grand? I saw something saying in 2017 from mecum it sold for 62,500. I mean how can this be? Also is the pic posted of the block and date code/VIN considered restamps? Looks to me like you can see the broching? any way someone might give me a call and discuss this more with me? it would mean the world obviously, cause I dont wanna buy a car thats not 100% legit. I thought it all checked out, but Im no expert on copos, so I needs some schoolin!! lol Thanks man

Just because someone is is a celebrity doesn't mean that they are an expert on all other things, to include authenticating / validating COPO Camaros. The price paid or current asking price has no bearing on authenticity. I watch people make bad buying decisions on a very regular basis!

[marxjunk]

i am a novice..i found an L89 block and these guys shark tanked it..and the one thing i learned, it was fake, and the big indicator was the zero..and that zero looks exactly like the zero on the fake block i found..theres a def style of zero and that aint it