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Old 12-11-2011, 02:17 AM
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Default Day 2 tires--- WANTED Reproduction Stahl Fronts!

To be honest, I feel comfortable with the current offering of tires for the rear. What I would love to have is new rubber that is a reproduction of these Stahl front runners!


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Old 12-11-2011, 04:21 AM
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Default Re: Day 2 tires--- WANTED Reproduction Stahl Fronts!

The original question on this thread : Is there a size that is needed for the Day 2 group? Now we know the specs of the F60 and L60-15. The L60 covers the guy wanting 28 inch height and the F60 doesn't. Now, if someone wants to run 15"x 8" rims and wants 28 inch tall tires, the only thing he can run is a L60. This tire has a section width of 12". This tire is to wide for an 8" or 7" rim. (I'll get back to this in a minute).
The F60 is the required width for the 8" rim but it doesn't have the 28" height that the buyer wants. So this tire is to short in the eyes of the buyer.
If the buyer wanted to run a 10" rim, the L60 will cover his needs, but not for the 8" rim. This is why I made the statement in my 1st two post. Is there is a void here for the tire size the buyer wants? I say yes as of right now. I have not seen a 28" tall, Polyglas tire, etc. that is the proper width for a 8" rim. I'm not saying there is or isn't, I've just not seen one. So this is why I said what I said. I saw a "size that is needed for the Day 2 group".
The person who wants this size rim and tire may or may not care what is exactly period correct. It's their car and they can put whatever size rim and tire on it that they want. I'm going to put modern, repop Cragar S/S rims on my car. They are made a little different than the "real deal", but I don't care. The only person I need approval from is myself.

Now about rim width and tire width. You can get a full contact patch with narrower rims and a tire to wide, using a DRAG SLICK. The reason is because a drag slick has soft, flexable side walls and when the car accelerates the tire sidewalls allow the tire to flex enough to put the full width on the ground. The reason alot of 10.5 tire guys tend to run a little wider rim is because those street/strip tires have a stiffer sidewall. The can't flex as much and get the entire patch down.
Street tires are different. They are made for driving on the street. Which means proper air pressure rated for the tire. Not 12 to 15 lbs so the tire can have even contact. That's for racing, we are talking about driving on the street. When you mount a street tire that is too wide for the rim, the sidewalls pull in and the edges of the tire pull up to some degree and they do not have the same pressure per square inch across the contact patch. And the reason the center wears out first? Heat. Heat builds up in the area that has the most pressure per square inch and will wear that part of the tire quicker. There could also be a problem in cornering and wet conditions.

All this doesn't have anything to do with looking dead on correct or driving your car 8 to 10 miles at a time or really anything that has been brought up.
It's got to do with a gap in a tire size being offered, that others and myself like to run. 28" tall tire with a section width of 10" that works good on a 8" rim, so as to have a more even load on the tire. I'm sure that SmallHurst is speaking of existing tire sizes and that's fine, but I do not know for sure if there was ever anything offered that might cover that size being needed by buyers who are wanting that size.
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Old 12-11-2011, 05:15 AM
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Default Re: Day 2 tires--- WANTED Reproduction Stahl Fronts!

Chandler, the L60-15 is perfect for an 8" (steel)-8.5" (aluminum) rim.

I think a 7" rim is too small for an L60 tire. A 10" rim on L60-15 is pushing it but passes. You don't go by section width but tread width when matching tires to rims. You want the tread to be no more than 2" greater than rim width and with most L60's at 9.75 -10" tread width that is ok for a 8" rim..

Every original spec I have ever seen on L60's is they are for 8-10" rims.


M/T L60-15 with 15 x 8.5 Ansens. Looks pretty good.


Cragar 14 x8 on Dayton L60-14




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Old 12-11-2011, 05:23 AM
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Cragar 15 x10 on L60-15. Not the greatest match to me..the part of the tire attached to the rim is wider/sticking out further than the top of the tire. Check out the tire in the top picture were it meets the road. The tire is wider near the rim than the tread so it bulges out.


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Default Re: Day 2 tires--- what are you looking for?

Those look just like the ones I purchased last year. They are vintage M&H Racemaster 29x10x15 on a 15x6 Cragar SS wheel.

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Default Re: Day 2 tires--- what are you looking for?

Check out the Rims/Tires on the back of Jerry's Chevelle. These pictures were taken around 1973 IIRC.

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Default Re: Day 2 tires--- WANTED Reproduction Stahl Fronts!

I personally like this thread....different ideas/opinions.

Back to the OP. I think 14" tires would be a hit; G60-14, L60-14's, F70-14, G70-14 etc...

The reason I say this is that it appears 15" tires are readily available....even vintage ones.

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Default Re: Day 2 tires--- WANTED Reproduction Stahl Fronts!

If you are wanting a taller tire, but are willing to give up a little footprint, the G70-15 is available. Some guys who want a more level look go L60-15 in back with a F70-15 up front.

From what I am gathering, it sounds like a G60-14 or L60-14 would be a good offering to look at? The question of the day would then be how many would purchase this tire?
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Default Re: Day 2 tires--- WANTED Reproduction Stahl Fronts!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SmallHurst</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

From what I am gathering, it sounds like a G60-14 or L60-14 would be a good offering to look at? The question of the day would then be how many would purchase this tire? </div></div>

I would go with L60-14 than G60. G60-14 were kinda small and I would think would have a limited following out there.
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Default Re: Day 2 tires--- WANTED Reproduction Stahl Fronts!

You see, from where I am standing, although I have several vintage 14&quot; wheels, I am more likely to buy tires for my 15x4 wheels first. I would think a set of 7.60 or 7.10 15 would be a popular tire. It would be a real hot seller if you could get the Stahl name on it. Without that, i would probably not be as interested.

As for the L60-14, I think I'll hold off for a while.


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