Chevrolet pulls the wraps off of the new Camaro

[Les Quam]

LatebreakU2,

The ZR-1 isn't even todays HP champ my Supersnake is at 725 HP and runs the quarter at 11.30 at 131 MPH same as the Vette. Of course the Vette is vastly superior on a road course but also can't fit all my kids for an ice cream run either? Shelby has stated he will win this era's HP wars and has a 1000 HP engine on the dyno getting ready for cerification right now if GM or the euro builders make it necessary. The new ZR-1 appears to be perhaps the worlds best supercar but as it stands now Ford looks like it will win this era's MUSCLECAR HP war? Muscle car in that it fits a family all week and can be used at the strip on weekends.

[Charley Lillard]

Big difference between Shelby tweeking a Ford product and Chevrolet building one from the factory. I'm sure Callaway or Lingenfelter could also tweek up a ZR1 if they wanted to.

[Chevy454]

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The ZR-1 isn't even todays HP champ my Supersnake is at 725 HP and runs the quarter at 11.30 at 131 MPH same as the Vette.

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Who's friggin' numbers are those? The later Z06 'Vettes go deeeeep 11s in factory street trim (I've been in the other lane too many times!), and there's even a guy over at the Corvette Forum who whittled his ets down to 10s on the stock 'Vette tires...the proposed ZR1 would WALK your beloved Supersnake in every category except for the ever important "luggace capacity" column...the Snake may have a bigger decal, but the new ZR-1 will be holding the white et slip (read: winner) at the end of the day! As the racers say, "you ain't gotta tune weight"!!

BTW: you could simply throw a pulley on the ZR-1 and probably eclipse the 750hp mark...

[robber6910]

I was hoping Chevy would be smart enough to release it for the camaro's 40th anniversary. The final model doesn't look as attractive as the concept. The rims look aweful, there is too much wheel well space. Shoot they were better off taking a 69 shell and adding modern day gadgets. But then again I could do the same thing with my '69 camaro

[Late BrakeU2]

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LatebreakU2,

The ZR-1 isn't even todays HP champ my Supersnake is at 725 HP and runs the quarter at 11.30 at 131 MPH same as the Vette. Of course the Vette is vastly superior on a road course but also can't fit all my kids for an ice cream run either? Shelby has stated he will win this era's HP wars and has a 1000 HP engine on the dyno getting ready for cerification right now if GM or the euro builders make it necessary. The new ZR-1 appears to be perhaps the worlds best supercar but as it stands now Ford looks like it will win this era's MUSCLECAR HP war? Muscle car in that it fits a family all week and can be used at the strip on weekends.

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Les.with all due respect Carroll was a road racer and that's what his cars were designed for. Manufacturers have been building performance cars for "touring" since 1/4 mile specific applications died in 1971 with the bias ply tire(and first gas crisis) Back to hijacking the thread that ZR1 is one impressive car,have you seen it's record run the ring?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6mEirkQN8o

The eight minute barrier used to be reserved for pretty elite company in the automotive world-that chap who did the 7:26 left about about 10-15 seconds out there, staggering for a euro exotic supercar car,let alone a GM car! The stang might have the #"s but the ZR is within a few horsepower and I think around 700 lbs lighter..that's huge.

I would like to see if ford has the stones to allow a buff mag to test the 4000lb Snake Vs the 4000 lb Camaro SS with the big motor heads up on the Nordshieffe-put John Heinricy in the Camaro and a ford contract driver de jour in the stang.. I think it would be very interesting

[Les Quam]

Latebreak,
In my opinion 4000 pound cars are not good for much if anything? That anything being a drag strip. While the Supersnake has been lowered, now has brake cooling ducts, adjustable coil over Eibach suspension with adjustable shocks or dampers as you road racers like to call them, 6 piston Baer calipers, huge new rotors and new Eibach sway bars its still 4000 pounds and doesn't belong anywhere but a drag strip from my viewpoint due to its weight. I think those suspension mods were added to help from people taking their new 725 HP Mustang and promptly killing themselves while driving home. The new Supersnake is not an "R" model with the interior removed and safety equipment added.

From years of road racing and Karting and the deaths of a few friends on so called open track days in their high end supercars. I came to the conclusion that the only car that should be on a road course is a purpose built track car with the proper saftey equipment and lots and lots of weight removed. I guess the new ACR Viper might be the exception but the new ZR-1 is still in my view strictly a street car and as I have repeatedly said on this thread probably the worlds best new supercar.

Ford is building a new Mustang for 2010 with independent rear suspension and will more clearly compete with the new camaro in terms of a road course test. All the suspension tweaks Shelby does is simply to make the new cars handle better due to leaving Ford grossly obese. Remember he built 36 purpose built track cars in 1965 for the Mustang and a many comp Cobra's. It seems to me Shelby has always had comp cars and cars for weekend road racers. However in the 60s those Mustangs were capable of barely 120 MPH. Now his new Supersnake will easily exceed 200 MPH. I can't imagine he thinks any of his customers are capable of safely driving a street car on a road course at those speeds.

[69 Post Sedan]

I personally think this is a great look for the new Camaro. I have no problem putting this in my garage as long as it is a 6-speed. +2