67 (YENKO) baldwin motion identification question

[sYc]

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I know I'd much rather have a real Yenko with missing VIN and trim tags than an original set of Yenko tags riveted to a non-supercar. If the guy with the original tags to this car ever surfaced, I would say all he has is a couple of cool collectibles for his scrapbook, not a Yenko car. As far as value goes, no question a car that hasn't been messed with and has all its tags in place, etc. has more value than one that doesnt, but as Charlie said, there are plenty of cars out there that many consider supercars which are really just original tags riveted to a different body. At least this is a real Yenko car, not just a real Yenko VIN tag. JMO.

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So any supercar out there that has been "rebodied", which if the turth were told would be several, is not legit, regardless of who or how? All these owners really have are items for their scrapbooks? Hmmmm..., glad you said that, not me.

[camarojoe]

If the only original Yenko part of your car is a the VIN tag and the body trim tag, then yes, i say its a clone. But I also say, thats simply MY personal opinion.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Just to make things more cloudy, there is a Yenko Camaro here in PA that was stolen years ago. The owner had removed the original engine due to the high gas prices, and had a SB in it. After 5+ years the car is recovered in Florida, as a stolen car - no vin tags. The owner gets the car back, but no VIN plate. Since he had the original title, registration, police report, and the orig engine, it was easy to determine that it was his car. The PA - DOT and the PA State Police actually issued him a special anodized plate with the VIN and riveted it to the firewall, over by the heater box I believe. Now the car is fully titled and registered.

So, if it was possible to do such a thing with this car, Berger may have another avenue to pursue. If this '67 car was indeed stolen in the past, and the tags removed, it might be possible to research the vin in all states looking for a 'stolen vehicle report' - in my mind a viable reason to actually utilize the NICB - and see what comes up in other states. The down side is that maybe the guy who had it stolen might get it back, then you might have to give up the car - unless the owner was paid off by his insurance company. How would that work Kim?

[Jeff H]

I agree Marlin. But he says they did a check to make sure it isn't a stolen car and it came back clean. But is the Yenko VIN actually registered to a 6 cyl car somewhere? Since the hidden VIN verifies this car's heritage, I can't see how it would be worth much less than any other 67-69 Yenko without the original motor. It's a bummer not to have the VIN and trim tag, but the hidden VIN verifies what the car really is. As for the value of a rebodied supercar, it basically is a clone in my opinion. I don't see how you can pull everything off a car and put it on another body shell and call it the original car. The value would be what the engine, trans, rear, interior, fenders, etc. are worth to somebody. If a body shell is rusted or damaged beyond repair, may the car RIP.

[berger]

well. she did come back clean, and my uncle who is a law enforcement officer also restores vetts, so he is using his resources available to him in trying to track my or the six's vin to a current registered car in the tri-state and new england area, no luck yet, our best luck has been contacting former owners through past bills of sale and registrations in the car, its worked well so far back to the mid seventies, right now I'm trying to see if that owner sold the tags to a friend who gave him his six's to slap on when selling car as parts. My uncle says its a federal offense to place wrong tags on a car whether you buy them or not so they could lose the whole car if they don't give them up when found(the main problem w/ swithchin tags isn't theft, these cars were 5000 new back then , it was taking a car and committing a big time crime and dumping the vehicle w/ bogus tags to avoid evidence getting traced back to you, he says the whole reason the companies had to place the vin stamp in the heater box and cowl was that not many criminals wwere either knowledgeable or thorough enough to belt sand these off to cover tracks,many didn't even know where they are, Your also forgetting one important point in determining these cars for resale, I've had guys tell me PM to just have new tags made and placed on car, they speak as if they've done it before, that scares me for whoever bought their stuff at auction, in conclusion, we'll be doing the resto ourselves, for 50,000 I could do 3 67's over from scratch, I'd never pay the kind of money at auction some pay, its like legalized gambling you hope its real , you tell youreslf its a good investment like real estate and you can't lose, well like the stock market good luck if the market turns. I see it this way I paid 500 for her we'll do everything in house from engine rebuild, to welding to paint, and we'll enjoy doing it not because what it may be worth in the future, but because we enjoy making something from just about nothing and we can use it for 15yrs and paint it again, in my eyes if A car doesn't have its orig drivetrain ( which is really what seperated these cars from the flock) well than its worth about what my unorig 327 67' is worth since they look identical, about5000 to 8000 if I sell it at prime time at a car show in the spring, hey guys its just a neglected car nobody took the time to take care of, its not the cure for cancer, ya know.

[Belair62]

What exactly does this list of 107 mean ? Especially if there are 6 cyl VIN's as has been said previously ? Are we to assume that all of these 107 were 427 cars ? And is there any way to actually prove that ? How do people know that this list is a list of Super Cars ?

[berger]

I'm just learning this stuff on the fly too, some guys say their is a 54 list which no one knows when it was drafted ,its purpose , or where it was sent too. Then there is a list of 107 that was sent to the nhra apparently on two seperate occasions, for qualified status. the 107 has groups of vins that are also on the 54 but some that are not including straight six vins, I hear there is an 67 car that isn't on either list but has tons of paperwork, so I don't know, maybe if your on one list you get 50000, 2lists you get 100000, 3 certified `documents equals one list , I don't know, if you don't have a matching vin on motor and car its like rolling the dice to me, and none of these had a partial vin on 427, if the guy didn't budge on the 1000 he wanted when I bought it for the four piston calipers then I would of passed and wouldn't be losing any sleep over it, I don't intend to lose any now cuz the last six owners left her out to rust and the orig. owner used her the way they were all and still meant to be used and ripped her twelve bolt out and threw it away dropped in a super 88 rear w/ 5.13 gears and proceeded to blow those right out of her, my hat's off to him, I'll try and do the same and make him proud

[sYc]

Berger, this list of 107 VINs. How did you arrive at the conclusion that it was for NHRA use, (NHRA required either 50 or 500), and also, that it contained straight 6 numbers?

[berger]

i got that info from the deuce registry , he only needed 50 but submitted 107, twice, got rejected twice, they knew they were dealer installed and dodge was pressuring nhra. Unless I got that info wrong I'm pretty sure I got the same from other sources through private mail. I figured all you guys owned all these lists, now I think only some got them and some just partials, I hear vince in the day would give you a copy of the sheet yours was on, you guys must be piecing these partials together, at least privately.

[Belair62]

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hey guys its just a neglected car nobody took the time to take care of, its not the cure for cancer, ya know.


[/ QUOTE ] Agreed...and drive it like youe stole it !