1969 427 camaro copo?????

[firstgenaddict]

well said Jim.
I for one wish prices would subside as it would take some speculators out of the markets and allow the ones who truly enjoy the cars back in...
However in dealing with these high end cars people want FACTORY PAPER, whether it has matching numbers or not. What most laypeople people do not realize is there is an awful LOT of fake paper, which is why the verification of paperwork is so critical to Chevrolets.
JAG

[iluv69s]

Jim I am a bit surprised by some of your statements.....

---"IMHO (<MY humble opinion) if someone doesn't know enough about what they are buying they shouldn't be buying it."

I figure that is the purpose to enlist an expert..to educate yourself about what you are buying. I paid many realtors and building inspectors for thier opinion before buying the properties that I own. I feel anyone with the cash has the right to buy whatever they want...this is America isn´t it? Do they need to be an expert?

---"If it makes you feel better because (I am going on a long stretch here to make a point) a note from your mommy (that is the stretch) says it is ok or anyone else you pay to appraise whatever, then you are in the hobby for the wrong reasons."

I bought my first 67 RS Camaro when I was 15 years old and have since owned over 200 early Camaros from six bangers to a real Zl-1. I think I qualify as a &quot;real&quot; Camaro fan and that I am in the hobby for the right reason. I have never paid anyone to apraise or document one of my cars <span style="font-weight: bold">before</span> buying it. But, if I wanted to buy a high dollar car and was in doubt of its authenticity, I sure would feel better having an experts opinion..I think that is the norm in many hobbies..art, antiques, collectibles and cars also. Do you really believe that statement??
I am sure that many of the people here on this forum have paid an expert before buying a car...be it Marti report, Galen Govier, etc. So which of us fellow members are you refering to that are in the hobby for the wrong reason? With the plethora of fake cars,I feel it woul be rather stupid not to.

---&quot;IF that homework involves the services of someone that may know more than you about a particular subject, certainly enlist them to assist you.&quot;

But you just stated that someone that does this is in the hobby for the wrong reason...I´m confused...do you condone this or no??

I have always tried to be 100% respectful to you and everyone else on this board. I am a bit surprised by your sarcasm toward me..I apologize if I am misunderstanding your statement/attitude.

At this point I will take the high road and refrain from pettiness that persists here at times...

as before, |I wish the best luck to the owner of this car and if he wants my honest opinion &quot;without caring about personality clashes&quot;, he can PM me...


just my humble opinion...

[iluv69s]

Tom, I apologize for mentioning his name after You asked me not to. I hope you understand my confusion when a few days later a thread was started that was soley about him to the point where there were even pictures posted of him.
As far as respecting him..I could care less either way...I do not know him that well. I was going by my personal experiences and I was only trying to help a fellow member...

But , I assure, I will not mention him again here.

Max

[iluv69s]

JAG....


with all due respect,I am confused by your statement also....

--&quot;However in dealing with these high end cars people want FACTORY PAPER, whether it has matching numbers or not. What most laypeople people do not realize is there is an awful LOT of fake paper, which is why the verification of paperwork is so critical to Chevrolets.
JAG&quot;

what part of Jim´s statement was well said?? It sounds like you are agreeing with me and not him that it is a great idea to get an expert to document a car and the adjoining paperwork. Let´s face it, because all of us are not experts. And I believe that the average laymen have every right to buy a Camaro as much as the experts here.

just my humble opinion...max

[TDW]

If he has the POP for your car, it belongs to you. It sounds like he stole it from you many years ago. If that is the case, that makes him a low life thief in my opinion. Go get YOUR property back.

[al8apex]

I will have to apologize, apparently my typing of words did not come out as well as my mind was processing the info, no flames were intended, just cutting to the basics was the intent. I will stand by my statements as I believe the intent was there, and I think that others can see that as well.

IMHO, anyone that has owned over 20, 50, 100 or more cars of any make / model / etc should know them intimately. They should be an expert in their own right and know right from wrong.

If I doubted a car, I would trust my instinct and I would stay away. There would be no reason IN MY MIND to want to buy it. Again, MY viewpoint.

All the names you stated above are people that have educated themselves and created businesses around their education and experience.

I could get info from Ford <span style="font-weight: bold">if</span> I owned one. Having the copy from Ford would be as good in MY OPINION as anything else.

I could care less knowing if my Ford was one of 17 so equipped (or whatever). That being one of 17 so equipped does not make it worth any more. It does not make ME like it any more ... or any less.

BUT if I were one of those that NEEDED to know that info to tell stories with, I might want to know and therefore would pay to know and have a piece of paper so I can display with my car so onlookers can marvel at my luck and good fortune.

Those that know know.

This is not intended to be a flame or sarcastic reply in any stretch, it is merely an explanation of my prior post.

[al8apex]

This is a Camaro owner that needed the services of SOMEONE smarter than he was BEFORE he bought .....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1968-Chev...a#ht_719wt_1167

[smallblockhero]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: al8apex</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is a Camaro owner that needed the services of SOMEONE smarter than he was BEFORE he bought .....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1968-Chev...a#ht_719wt_1167 </div></div>

Petes Z-28 is well known. To try and pass this car off as the Estes Z Conv is ridiculous. A little research will show it as the car below. not some poor red copy.

[iluv69s]

I saw that car also..I wonder about the paperwork he claims to have...Apparently the original paperwork from the real Estes car was stolen from Al M. when he owned the car.

Back to the original thread..any luck with the protecto-plate ???

[Salvatore]

No matter what the car is ugly IMO.