Where is ZL-1 #66?

[Motion Camaro]

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Hello again everyone,

I just wanted to show you all a real CT registration from a 69 Camaro I just purchased. CT does not require a title for a car this old, but they do need to perform a physical inspection before they'll issue a registration. I know this because the seller of the car I purchased had to have one done before he got the reg. You will see this looks nothing like the paperwork provided by VOODOO. I hope I can get it loaded properly for all to see. I've been following these threads and was surprised to now see that Bill is looking for yet another ZL1. This is really getting to be quite a story now. What can you believe if anything at all anymore. If the file doesn't load properly, bare with me. I'll try to get it up ASAP.

Nick

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[CTChevelle]

Hello
Just to let everybody know the document that MWCC posted is a CT Bill of Sale and not a registration. You can go to the DMV or any local police department and get a stack of them and the buyer and seller fills it out. The document that Vodoo posted is a CT registration form and is the form you get when you renew your registration. The only way to get this form is if you already have that vehicle registered. Renewal is one to two years depending on the type of registration. As far as the model designation on the registration form, the person registering it puts that on when the vehicle is first registered. In this case, x442L1, and not Camaro. DMV does not care what you put there and they do not have a book to show if the info you are putting is correct. You could register your car as a "Chevy Mustang" if you really wanted and they would never say anything to you. As far as inspections go things have changed in recent years. Inspections have always and still are only done the 1st time you register a vehicle and not at renewel or any other time. Up to approximately 2000 or so you had to go through inspection for any vehicle 10 years old or older or an out of state vehicle. This was a saftey inspection only and they did not verify hidden VINS. They verified the VIN plate to the registration and that was it. Saftey inspection only to look at tires, brakes, lights, etc. The only time VINS were checked was with a salvaged title. After the change in 2000 or there abouts, there is no saftey inspection. They now verify 2 VINS on the car. They check the VIN plate to anything else with a VIN and that includes a motor or tranny. If not matching #'s then they check the hidden VIN. As far as titles go in CT, the DMV only requires titles on 1981 or newer cars. If you register a 1981 or older vehicle and give the DMV a title they will destroy it and you will never see it again. For the police investigation in this case, it would almost certainly not take place. As somebody said earlier this would be a civil matter and the police may (depending on the local department) document it with a report, but there would not be an investigation, unless it could be proven that there was some type of crime in CT. Meaning that there was some proof that the car or VIN was stolen, i.e. video of it happening or somebody confessing. If there is none, let the lawyers sort it out. I have no connection to anybody who posted on this thread or to this car or engine, but just passing this info along because some of these CT documents and the CT DMV can be confussing.

Steve

[Jim_Becker68]

Steve,

Excellent information, very imformative.

This still begs the question.....where did the seller of the motor get the information to file a registration since the actual car is verified as being titled back to the 70's and 80's in the southwest.

[M.W.C.C.]

Hello again everyone,

Well, I saw the error of my ways last night before I called it a day. The document I posted was the B.O.S. I do have the old registration as well and it looks pretty close too what has been shown by voodoo, just slightly different I suspect since mine is an older document. I just posted the wrong file and there is no need to further clarify since CTChevelle has corrected my stupid mistake. Sorry for the confusion. Santa had me going nuts yesterday and I guess I just had a brain fart.


The new info from Dessert Auto is very interesting and will have me glued to my seat until this one is resolved.

Happy Holidays too ALL!!!

[vodoo]

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Re: Did that #66 ZL1 ever sell at B-J auction? [Re: njsteve]
#67878 - 01/28/04 08:22 AM Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply



# 66 was never at B-J Auction, just in Scottsdale at a Dealer for sale. Here is the last I heard and and it might be absolutely wrong as there have been so many descriptions of events. The Guy had his car stolen around 86 or so. The Car at the dealer that he thinks was his had been in Pat McGroeders posession since before this Guys car was stolen so it couldn't possibly the same car. McGroeder also has ownership history on the car going way back. I think this guy barked up the wrong tree.




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HI CHARLEY,

Can you please tell me what dealer car #66 was for sale at in your previous posting?????????????? QUOTED ABOVE!!!
Charley I do not know anyone on this site, But you always help anyone with questions. That is why I am going to ask you to give me an honest answer. WHAT DEALER WAS THIS CAR #66 FOR SALE AT IN SCOTTSDALE ARIZONA?????????

[Charley Lillard]

Vodoo...It was Desert Autosport. He posted a few posts above this one. I thought he had it listed here for sale or on Ebay back then but I could be wrong. I know there was a price. Someone should be able to dig up the old thread from this site.

[Bill Pritchard]

This is probably the thread you're referring to, Charley....

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat...=true#Post65407

Merry Christmas to all!

[x Baldwin Motion]

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Can you please tell me what dealer car #66 was for sale at WHAT DEALER WAS THIS CAR #66 FOR SALE AT IN SCOTTSDALE ARIZONA?????????

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#65421 - 01/13/04 01:44 PM
#66 now belongs to us (Scottsdale Lotus).

info posted here by "bornfast"
Reged: 01/13/04
Posts: 5
Loc: Scottsdale, AZ

[vodoo]

Hi Charley,

I can not post anymore information on this site that has to do with documentation. As you can see in an eariler posting X Baldwin Motion Altered State Documents. Making a joke out of it but in reality its someones car 124379N644366. What happens 40 years from now when this document pops up. Yes it was a joke toward me. But if all eyes were open!! Everything I have said in this posting is real and true. Its always a joke to knock me. What about all of the people posting and then saying thay were wrong and sorry. Desert Autosport said he never had car for sale. Charley as you stated to me he did. In you defense the whole world new that this car was for sale at Desert Autosport. As for M.W.C.C you posted what you though you new from living in OHIO. Thats fine but you also tried to make joke out of me. Now your saying your wrong or sorry. I have phone records to prove I spoke with the dealership in Arizona that had this car for sale.

I just wanted to state that I am not friends and do not know this guy!!!!! ZL1 #17 He called me after my listing on ebay. He is just trying to get to the bottom of car #66 like the rest of you and myself are.

[x Baldwin Motion]

vodoo Bill, I am sorry if you found that altered document offensive, it was in no way intended to make FUN of anyone. Just an example of how easily documents of all types can be altered. Just as if someone stole your car and removed it out of state and presented a transferable registration stub for licensing elsewhere. Obviously if the readers here were to believe every post then in fact there must be two cars with the same VIN and one of them and their associated documents are not real. Will you at least concede that much? I dont why you havent answered any of the simple time line questions and instead chose to post that document. Again I see nothing but individuals willing to assist in finding the truth. I posted above the old thread where a person claimed to have #66 for sale in Jan 04. I would suggest picking up the trail from there and let us know what happens. Good Luck.
-Chris