1969 427 camaro copo?????

[iluv69s]

I understand your point Steve, but,my point was that the protectoplate definitely has some value....

Although this is not the case with this car, I think that maybe the protecto-plate is very valuable to a car since a COPO with a non-original correct motor is worth more than a COPO with no motor...

and a COPO with a non-original protectoplate is worth no more than a COPO with no protecto-plate. This is the only protecto-plate in the world that is correct for this car. Many cars have changed hands for top dollar that have correct non-original motors. And it seems that the cars that bring all the money are the original cars <span style="font-weight: bold">with documentation</span>.

Did I just confuse everyone with this explanation??

I also agree if the fellow promised him the protecto-plate for his car back in the day, he should give it up free.

[ronnieredline]

well you see, he didnt really promise anything to me, he just said he would, now i know he has it because he wants money for it, 5000 to be exact.

i didnt go after it because he said he would give it to me about 5 yrs after i left it in his shop. back then i didnt even know what it was, i thought it was an old credit card or something who knew, i was about 20 or so.about a yr or so back i called him up and he said he had it, well you know what???

i am going to go look at it and make sure its even the right one? this is something that he should bring to light, first i have to have him prove it to me, that it is the right one, you see he should tell me what it says, i have the numbers from the POP plate on my engine, trans and etc....
so if he tells me what the numbers are on the POP plate and they match my engine and trans, then it would be the one i need, but he doesnt know for sure its even mine right??? i know for a fact he worked on alot of camaros and corvettes in his day.

one thing nobody knows on here but me, the VIN to the car, the numbers on the trans and most of you dont know the body number, you might because i have a photo of the cowl tag, but NO-ONE KNOWS THE VIN OR THE TRANS NUMBERS ON HERE AND YOU MIGHT THINK YOU KNOW THE ENGINE PAD NUMBERS, BUT DO YOU REALLY? HAVE YOU SEEN A PHOTO OF THEM? NOPE, BECAUSE THERE ISNT ONE. its been at the shop since ive discovered what was up with them ,and even they wont call me back now??? ive called them 3 times. next is a trip up there to see it or get the block back home, ive had it with service in this country, ive been ripped off by a drywaller and now a roofer, both of them just did it half ass for the money, no quality what so ever.

anyone wanna play poker with my POP plate? show me your hand because im not folding.

SO IF YOUR READING THIS, GIMME THE NUMBERS AND I WILL TELL YOU IF IT IS THE RIGHT ONE, PROVE YOUR POINT OR I DONT WANT IT! ! !

if you want 5000 grand for it, prove it first, or you dont have a thing to argue about. not a leg to stand on. its worthless to ou to even have it, especially if you dont know for sure its even mine???

if your reading this then put your POP plate where your mouth is and i will put my money where my mouth is.

maybe i should contact the police, if i can prove this is mine then he is kidnapping my POP plate ?? ! ! ! he never owned the car, what right does he have to it??
if its mine and i have the reciets for him working on my car and i can prove it went to my car, then he stole it while working on my car when i was a school kid, he knew i didnt care back then, he probably didnt know what he had until he read this whole post.
its ok, karma is a real skeleton in the closet buddy.

how about growing a set, and posting a photo of it on here???
you might just blow everyones mind huh?? try us and find out! ! !
if you want your money show me the proof,
now let me see it.
see ya

[ronnieredline]

hey iluv69s

im not sure what you meant , but i have the original trans and engine and rear diff for my car?
i didnt take it wrong, i just think you dont understand, im being nice , im not mad at you, i have everything to the car except the POP plate. so he has to give me the numbers to prove it.
so do i really even need the POP plate for 5000, uh lemme think uh NO!!! not for 5000 huh?
i think that i have it all except the small part, the POP plate,
so where does a guy draw the line ? ive been told i dont even need it appraised or certified because of all the stuff i have on and with the car? its to believable not to believe it??
lemme know what ya think k?
thanks

[sYc]

You said he was behind in his bills, which could translate into him about to lose everything. With that as a motive, I can see where at one point he said he would give you the POP, (when in a better financial situation), but now wants $$$ for it. Would any of us give up something of value when faced with a similar situation?


And BTW, if I were him, every time I read one of your rants, I would double the price.

[iluv69s]

Hey Ronnie....this thread alone proves that your car is absolutely real..although there will still be doubters. I would absolutely pay an authority(who´s naeme I cannot state here) to document your car before you do any resto work.

Because of the many fake COPOs out there people will always be skeptical. I believe with this documentation by a reknown authority, noone will doubt your car´s authenticity.

As far as the protecto-plate, I believe it would make your car just that more desireable over another COPO without docs. It seems the cars with all original drivetrain, correctly restored AND WITH REAL DOCS bring all the money. No-excuses cars.

I would get the Protecto-plate before having your car documented, because there are a bunch of fake protecto-plates out there also. Have the protecto plate documented also as the real thing. just my opinion...

also, I dont think you are serving yourself well by ranting so much about the curret possessor of your protecto-plate. Be cool and give it some time...maybe he will come to his senses and lower the price...kindness is priceless sometimes...

Good Luck

[al8apex]

there are other people besides the one you allude to that know their stuff ... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

regarding the rants, there is an old saying about honey and vinegar ...

[iluv69s]

Hey Jim,

I realize that there are other experts that probably know more, but the other experts are so unknown to the general public, that thier expertise is not valued as much...right or wrong. If I were selling ..or buying..a camaro, I would want the person who is by far, the leading authority on Camaro documentation. I am sure he has documented many many more Camaros than anyone. Probably atleast 10 fold.

In the Camaro world, if he says it is real, it does not matter if it is fake...people believe his word,right or wrong...that is where I would spend my money...whether I like the guy personally or not.

.....just my opinion....

[Jonesy]

Instead of having &quot;that guy&quot; come and and pay him money. Use the money towards getting the POP back. He's only going to tell you what you already know. The original POP is as good as his documenting the car.

[iluv69s]

unfortunately, without ´that guy` documenting the protecto-plate for me, I would not know an original protecto-plate from a fake...and I feel that I am very much more knowledgeable than the average Camaro fan....

for the 250 bucks that he charged me to document my car, I feel that his documentation is worth many times more than if I had the orignal protecto-plate for my car....

..anyone that is expert enough to tell if the protecto-plate is original does not really need the protecto-plate or´that guys´documentation to know that this car is real. His documentation is for those of us that cannot tell the good fakes from the real cars...

[iluv69s]

I hope that the opinions that this forum is offering this fellow member has nothing to do with personality clashes or whether we like the expert in question or not....

unfortunately, I feel that is not the case at times...

I am trying to give the best advice as to what I would do to better document and verify the authenticity of this car for the benefit of ´everyone´ in the future..not just the experts on this board...