latest Jim M. Chevy records rumor

[Mr70]

Welcome to this website Stranger...........I mean Verne.
Glad to have you aboard. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

[Belair62]

Well you just answered a question I posed in another thread....these New Jersey folks worked their butts off trying to figure out the tag codes for big Chevies...correct me if I'm wrong but '58 to '64 Verne ? I was in Late Great Chevies for many years until they started combining with a bunch of other clubs.I read about their work many times.If anyone has questions about big Chevy trim tags I would think Verne would be the one to contact. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img]

[MotownMadman]

Verne,
Welcome. I dont think anyone here would view your post as a solicitation, I would think everyone here would agree that the efforts of you and your club is something that should be recognized and congradulated. Personally, in my opinion, solicitation is something trying to be advertised or sold that is really not needed, which in your case is as far from solicitation as possible since your efforts are not only needed but very much welcomed with open arms. Your efforts are no less important then Jims, if his project is successful there will probebly be gaps in relevant information that will be sorted out through the data of many individual and group efforts around the country, such as yours, Camaro Research Group, COPO Connection, Yenko Deuce Registry, and others to name a few. Complete success in cleaning up this hobby will be had when everyone involved comes together with all the relevant data, be it a group or an individual, any amount of information gained through research will undoubtedly help to fill in the pieces of the puzzle. Knowledge is power, the combined knowledge of the members of this board alone has helped a great deal in sorting out the truth, when considering all the other groups such as this board, many that intersect with each other, much of the origins and history to these cars has already been sorted out, add that to the existing successes that Jim has had through Pontiac Historical Services, and the possible success that Jim and his dedicated group may have with Chevrolet and it is only a matter of time before truth will prevail over the fraud in this hobby. So Verne, consider this an open note of thanks to you and your team for the work accomplished on the big Chevys. The total is a sum of the parts, by specializing in one area you have a better chance of nailing down more facts then if your resources were spread too thin. Send me a PM with your phone # and I will give you a call.
Thanks,
Matt [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

[Verne_Frantz]

Matt,
Thank you for your kind comments (and Belair62 as well).
'58-'64 Chevrolet Passenger cars were assembled at a total of 18 different assembly plants over those model years (three of which were Fisher Body "only" locations, with no Chevrolet final assembly line attached). I think one of the greatest assets toward the "good" of the hobby is the fact that there was very little uniformity in the cowl tag coding methods used at the different plants. I even have evidence of option codes changing during one model year at the same plant. This inconsistancy makes it harder for someone to know what to have stamped on his "reproduction" cowl tag.
Jim's efforts should yield better results than our project can provide, since he is collecting build sheets. The build sheets contain information on every option, where our information is based on what was stamped on the trim tag. Unfortunately, not all of the options were coded on those tags. In the earlier years, very few were coded. And even in the later years, some plants only coded for one or two. Most plants did not code for the engine. So, Jim's efforts are really targeting the holy grail - undisputed evidence - the car's birth certificate, while our documentation is derived by "deciphering" of cryptic information based on a sample size to be statisically valid. But many build sheets contain those cryptic codes as well, rather than a simple "X" next to the option, or the actual RPO number, so it is possible that a combined effort will produce many more completed verifications of the originality of the Passenger cars. Please let Jim know that I am 100% in favor of combining efforts for the good of the hobby. That has always been my motivation since the beginning of our project.
If Jim needs any help with his "treasure hunt" regarding the Passenger car plants, I am offering my services (donated, of course).

Verne.

[Belair62]

Hey Verne..I have a builsheet out of a 64 Impala SS 327-300 4spd....can you use a copy in your records ? I don't have a trim tag rubbing of it but remember colors etc...

[Verne_Frantz]

Belair,
I would like to add a copy to the files. I appreciate the offer. Thanks very much. Jot down anything you can remember about the car too.

You can mail it to me
c/o Jersey Late Greats, Inc.
P.O. Box 1294
Hightstown, NJ 08520

(I usually pick up the mail anyway)
Verne.

[Belair62]

If you have a fax---PM me with the number Verne...the car had a stroked 409 in it when I sold it and i believe it went east....

[Jonesy]

There is a gal who posted on camaros.net and claims she works for the archive department. She says there are no records. I still want to believe. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif[/img]

Here's the link:

click here

[Allen]

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I still want to believe.



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Kinda like Santa Claus. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Does anyone have any new information on that whole project?

[Chevy454]

Boy, she definitely puts a new spin on it! Rather depressing reading her posts over there...