Unique Shelby Convertible for sale

[MosportGreen66]

It happens a lot more than you think. In the Chevy world too. I have borrowed wheels and tires for shows when the original knock off wheels were not finished with restoration. I know of a highly document/ '66 COPO Corvette (bc of interior/exterior color cobination) that has a near NOS off road (under car) exhaust system from a 1967 427/390 Vette. The owner of the '67 wanted some money back from the restoration fees and sold the exhaust system. It still had the original pipes, and even an ink stamp that says "Off Assembly" on the original mufflers. With all hardware and main dressing items like the chrome tail pipes with the mold seem on the bottom, he paid $2500 (and that was 3 years ago). I know of guys that exchange RC15 radiator caps and "VEN-TED" original gas caps for show cars all day long. To me this is NO different than buying an NOS original dual snorkle air cleaner assembly off ebay for $6500 or spending $500 on an original Delco oil filter. So what if the parts were once on a show car or not... same difference... after all when owners are done showcasing the restoration shop's job on the car you would think the owner would want to make it more streetable again... (but thats another thread)...

[WWMCMike]

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There is a dealer down south who specilaizes in buying Thoroughbreds and stripping the parts then reselling the cars as a Thoroughbred. I know of three Thoroughbreds this dealer has stripped and resold.

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This seems to be a very interesting statement. Care to elaborate on who this may be?

Mike

[Stuart Adams]

That should not be debated here, Les is out of this thread.

Bottom line: a car was posted here for sale, documented issues were brought up, buyer and seller should get it checked out, move on...

[WWMCMike]

Not trying to stir the pot, just have a simple question. Why is it OK for someone to come on here and give third party information regarding the authenticity of a car and or a cars history, but, not OK for someone to ask where the info came from? I do believe forums like this one can be good in some instances, to help reduce the chances of someone being burned by dishonest folks. But I don't believe it is right to blast someones car or have a "tear apart party" like so commonly occurs here. I realize some of you reading this may not agree with what I have to say, and I understand where you come from. I think this site does alot of good and I believe things like this situation cast a shadow over some of its members objectives.

And to respond to you Mr. Adams, I agree, it is up to the buyer and seller to be on the same page about the car first. But documented issues were not brought up here. Hear say was brought up as fact and it is incorrect and needs to be handled as such.

[golfer]

Les,

I have repeatedly stated that I appreciate your help and guidance on this matter. Moreover, the day after you indicated my car was not numbers matching, I researched this and found it to be true and I found, as I indicated, the VIN was stamped in the block. I stated these facts very clearly on this site.

However, Les you also stated

“I have been following [this car] since it sold at Russo and Steele in August of 2001 ….it doesn't have ….any of the expensive original parts left on it from when it won the Thoroughbred award……Through several owners all the hard to find irreplaceable parts fell off and were sold. I know people who bought some of the parts off the car….”

Now we have a conundrum. Mike from Worldwide has joined this fray and indicated in his reply above that the car has had no parts removed. He also has traced the ownership history. The car has had only 3 owners since it was sold at BJ and only two owners since the sale Les mentions in Monteray (Worldwide and me). Les, I know that neither I, nor Worldwide, nor Mr. Kilian (per Mike at Worldwide), nor the owner prior to Barrett Jackson (per my conversation with the restorer) have removed or sold any parts off this car. Nor have we seen any “irreplaceable parts fall off” as you stated.

Les, it seems your recollection or what you have been told by others is in direct conflict with statements from the cars owners. It will be easy to clear this up. The simple and inexpensive way to get to the truth would be for you to tell me the name and phone number of one or two of the people that you said you know and that have “bought some of the parts off the car.” I will gladly call them and report back the information, just as I did with regard to the motor.

As for me hiring an expert, why should I go to this expense when it would be very easy and inexpensive just to make a couple of phone calls? I may do this anyway, but the phone calls are much quicker.

Again, I am just trying to get to the truth and not disparage anyone or create ill will. Moreover, I know how rumors spread and things get twisted around. That is why I indicated that at the time Worldwide had my 1969 Shelby they also had a SAAC premiere level 1966 Shelby, and parts had been removed from the 1966 car. Maybe this is the source of the confusion, assuming everyone is telling the truth as they know it.

Chip Wright

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[Stuart Adams]

Mike, Yes sir documented issues were brought up here. In the Registry in front of me right now it states in 1988 it had 24,000 miles!!! It also states on 8/1/69 at Paul Miller Ford in Lexington, KY there was engine repair done including BLOCK, PISTONS,VALVES,INTAKE and TOW with 891 miles on it. On 11/20/69 replaced plug wire, #4 rod spun, BLOCK and gaskets, 6068 miles. These are DOCUMENTED in the Registry in writing. These were all brought up here, the glaring one is how is the mileage is explained, huh.
I'm non-biased and level headed, but when called out I feel I must respond with honest facts that are in WRITING.

This car could have all the correct parts, I don't care and never said they did not, but the car was posted for sale here and these issues were discussed, from the Registry.

What did you think would happen when someone is going to spend 400K on a car? They will look in the Registry first.

[mister_copo]

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IF that's the same black jade drag pack GT 500 Shelby convertible......it doesn't have an original engine or any of the expensive original parts left on it from when it won the Thoroughbred award.

Through several owners all the hard to find irreplaceable parts fell off and were sold. I know people who bought some of the parts off the car and know people who almost bought the car(including myself)until they had an expert look at the car and determined it is no longer a throughbred level car due to the missing parts.

Les, I'm stuck here, first you stated the above....are you now recanting those comments with whats being offered below?

It is still clearly a MCA concours gold car and may very well be still a thoroughbred. Everyone should consider the infromation my law office acquired during our litigation MAY NOT be true regarding the parts. People make mistakes and many times people have their own agenda's. We have not formed any concrete conclusions and neither should anyone else. We believe the information we have acquired to be reliable but we can't guarantee it.

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I am not seeing much correlation between the Cuda story and the fact you reportedly know people who supposedly bought expensive parts off the car in question.

Are you trying to say that you are incorrect? Is this an apology of sorts? Did I missed something here? I am confused and it ain't the stuffing.

[rich p]

Thats what you got out of that ? Did they stuff you with stuffing or the other way around up there in Canada ??? LOL

Les your Alright in my BOOK !

[golfer]

Les and everyone,

I think its time to call a cooling off period and let me try to gather a few more facts with regard to parts supposedly being sold off my car. While I have reason to believe this is an inacurate rumor, I want to do some more investigation. Moreover, I have responded to a very nice PM from Les and I look forward to working with Les to find out if any parts were sold off my car and if so, which parts. I do appreciate his PM and his especially his offer in this PM to help me get to the truth regarding this issue. To put it bluntly, while we can all have different opinions about an issue, we cannot have differing sets of facts about the same issue. So the fact is that either parts were not sold off the car, or parts were sold off the car. I want to find the answer so that when and if I sell the car it will be sold with a completely accurate representation.

As I said, if parts were sold, I will try and find any missing NOS parts and restore the car to its rightful glory. However, it is my hope and belief ( because I trust what former owners and the restorer of this car have told me) that the claim of parts being removed from my car are unsubstantiated and incorrect rumors. If they are inaccurate rumors, then those rumors need to stop now, and it needs to be stated publicly on this webb site and maybe others.

Thanks for everyone's guidance and patience in this matter, I know it has read like a bad soap opera.
Chip

in we will

[golfer]

I probably should have done a better proof read and spell check of my post, but I think it reads clearly enough. And I have no idea what those words below my name are suppose to say.
Chip