Royal info wanted

[Belair62]

Sounds like you were somewhat close to this action Bobcat...

[GOAT72]

Bobcat,
How can you refer to Mr. Schornack as a "glorified porter" and that he "claims to have invented Royal"?

In Steve Stratham's book, "GTO: The Great One" Schornack claims he wasn't even HIRED by Dick Jesse at Royal until 1963. He states that he beat the Royal cars at Detroit Dragway with his 1959 Catalina, and so an impressed Jesse offered him a job at Royal.
How could Schornack NOT even be a line mechanic at Royal when he was HIRED by performance manager Dick Jesse himself and worked 6-days a week doing Bobcat conversions?

Also, Schornack explains his involvement in the testing of the RA V in Florida -- with Mr. Wangers, among others. If Shornack was such a poor racer, then why was he even IN the '69 GTO? There are photos of him in Statham's book racing the crystal turquoise '69 GTO with the RA IV -- which they later installed a Ram Air V into. Who put the RA V into the car... Mr. Wangers... or Schornack.

I am not biased in your Wangers Vs. Schornack mud-throw. I think BOTH men made their own contributions toward the legacy, but to completely denounce Schornack's involvement is wrong.
Please feel free to access miltschornack.com and click on his RA V page-- Schornack bought one of the factory RA Vs.
How'd he pull THAT deal off with no involement with PMD?
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I am sure you'll have the fortitude to answer: Where did you get this information from? Were you THERE? Did you know George DeLorean? Schornack? The Wilsons? Dick Jesse?

If so, this would put you in the late 60s-early 70's age-bracket, which I don't think is the case.

Finally, I have located a guy who is providing me with photocopies of dozens of old magazine articles concerning Schornack; you have piqued my interest with your debasing attitude toward this individual.

Thanks for any help you can provide with your answer.

~GOAT72
(newbie)

Bobcat said:
<i>Unfortunately there is a past, glorified porter, from Royal that is constantly resurfacing. I read he calims to have invented Royal and the Ram Air program. This guy wasn't even a line mechanic. Whenever Royal sent him out with another Royal Employee or even "Doc" Watson, this guy couldn't even post as fast a time. The magazines bare this out. The Royal Story keeps getting better and better.</i>

[JLP]

The pics I sent Jeffh here contain pics of Milt driving the RA V car and there are other pics of him around/working on the car. Can't seem to shrink them. I can e-mail them or contact Jeffh on this site. Here is pix of '69 FB he was driving for Royal also. Beautiful Orange/white car. Black & white only photos.

[JLP]

Same car front view.

[Steve_Hoog]

JLP

Nice, don't think I've ever seen that car. Love the burn off, very cool. Too bad they aren't in color, I bet that was a sharp looking car.

[Bobcat]

In answeer to your questions. It was pretty hard for Dick to hire anyone. He was not the GM. McQueen was. Nor was Dick the new car manager. Dick Was the High performance salesman. Chuck Broomfield was the only mechinic initially doing the Bobcat conversions. Than later came Dave and Sid Warren. I know you have no idea how small Royal was in comparison to todays dealerships. YES I DID KNOW AND DO KNOW THESE gentleman.es I was around the dealership. Since you like books, I'm sure you most own Jim Wangers Book "Glory Days." Turn to the Introduction chapter and read the introdution paragraph. Find my name? Next time you watch Speed Channel's "MuscleCars" Hurst segment you'll find my name in the credits. If you get the History Channel segment "History of the Automobile, The Firebird" My family is in it and I am in the credits. I'm sure you don't however get the BBC's Jeremy Clarkston's show I'm in his film and credits for the "Deroit's Auto Industry." SO,NO MY KNOWLEDGE IS NOT BASED ON SOME FANTISY BOOK YOU READ. The books you read did not interview Dick Jesse, he's been dead a good 20 years. Ace Jr. since about 1989 Ace Sr. about 10 years. Yes, I do also Know Mac McKellar, Jack "Doc" Watson, John Sawruk and JIm Mattison to name a few who you may have heard of. Mine is not opion but based on first hand knowledge. You can read more of my resume on other posting.

[GOAT72]

Bobcat assaulted the English language with:
"In answeer to your questions. It was pretty hard for Dick to hire anyone. He was not the GM. McQueen was. Nor was
Dick the new car manager. Dick Was the High performance salesman. Chuck Broomfield was the only mechinic initially doing the Bobcat conversions. Than later came Dave and Sid Warren. I know you have no idea how small Royal was in comparison to todays dealerships."

Bobcat,
I'm sure you were there, but you HAD to have been just a kid. (??)
Next, Dick Jesse was the performance salesman, yes, but he was INUNDATED with performance sales (over 5,000 Royal Bobcat club members when it was all said n' done)so he had to hire another mechanic to handle the load.

I quote:
""To beat one of their cars (Royal) was a high-profile victory indeed. After seeing Schornack in action, Dick Jesse, the performance salesman at Royal Pontiac, invited Milt to come and discuss job opportunities"
Page 80-81 GTO: The Great One, Steve Stratham.

Finally, in my 2+ hours of conversation with Milt, he never once had a negative word to say about Jim Wangers or anybody else. The guy is about 72 rr 73 years old now and he just likes to tell stories about his days at Royal. For you to trash the guy is absurd and inherently cruel. I'm certain you have angered folks in your past -- I certainly have. But why do you display such hatred for this guy?
It's not right to trash him on these boards and I am glad I stumbled in to defend him.

I will not help you create a Wangers v. Schornack agenda. As I said, BOTH men made tremendous contributions to the GTO legend.
I have nothing but respect for both of them.

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[Steve_Hoog]

GOAT72

You need to identify yourself.

[GOAT72]

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No offense, but no... I don't, Steve.
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Let me just say that I am a writer and have done considerable research on Royal, PMD (from 1962 through 1973) and the Woodward Ave subsculture that evolved from what I like to call the "factory muscle car wars."
My screenplay is currently at The William Morris Agency. (heard o' them??)

I know that everything that "Mr. Bobcat" is saying is biased toward one individual's beliefs, but out of complete respect for that individual, I refuse to lower myself to Bobcat's level.

The classic car hobby is supposed to be "fun". I have only met wonderful people who would do anything to help his/her fellow hobbyist. There is no room in this hobby, or on this forum, for someone who choses to smear others and/or air their personal and financial shortcomings in public. It's not fair.
I am glad I joined the Yenko.net boards in time to defend a nice older gentleman like Milt, who takes great joy in helping others with free advice and tons of great memories from the good ol' days!

Thanks for reading my posts!
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~GOAT72

[MrsBillyBobcat]

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Guys,

I mean no disrespect here, but I feel GOAT72 is being unfairly singled out. There are numerous users on here who do not have their profile filled out at all, and who knows how many are filled in with “bogus” information. He has everything filled in but his name. The user “pont406” (who has NOTHING in his profile) spoke up 3 times in the “70 Judge RA IV and V Cont.” thread and no one asked him to "identify himself". I noticed someone tonight who has been on here since 2000, has 785 posts and NO NAME in his profile!

I, for one, do not have a problem if someone does not want to use their “real” name. What bothers me, however, is someone registering MULTIPLE user names with false information. They then can make it appear that there are multiple people who feel the same way about something, or worse, can use their “other” name when they want to post something mean or nasty . I am aware of an individual who has done this (and you know who you are!)

Rita