1967 Impala SS427 L-72?

[Mr70]

Really?.......How do you know this to be true?

[mssl72]

You sound very sure of that fact. What kind of evidence do you have? I for one would love to believe that the records exist and will turn up. I have a very good friend that has worked at GM for over 30 years. He's got friends all over there including friends in the archives. Even his friends in the archives have been digging to see if something is around. Many of them are true car guys that would love to find a stash of paperwork. Nobody has found anything. I guess there's always a chance, but in this case it's almost too slim to measure.

[Steven J]

From the Rt. 66 Classic event on Saturday.

[442w30]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mssl72</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You sound very sure of that fact. What kind of evidence do you have? I for one would love to believe that the records exist and will turn up. I have a very good friend that has worked at GM for over 30 years. He's got friends all over there including friends in the archives. Even his friends in the archives have been digging to see if something is around. Many of them are true car guys that would love to find a stash of paperwork. Nobody has found anything. I guess there's always a chance, but in this case it's almost too slim to measure. </div></div>

I've got my sources, so I can only go by their veracity. And by archives, you mean the Heritage Center? *If* it ever sees the light of day, it likely won't be a part of the Heritage Center.

[Verne_Frantz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 442w30</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mssl72</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You sound very sure of that fact. What kind of evidence do you have? I for one would love to believe that the records exist and will turn up. I have a very good friend that has worked at GM for over 30 years. He's got friends all over there including friends in the archives. Even his friends in the archives have been digging to see if something is around. Many of them are true car guys that would love to find a stash of paperwork. Nobody has found anything. I guess there's always a chance, but in this case it's almost too slim to measure. </div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold">I've got my sources, so I can only go by their veracity. And by archives, you mean the Heritage Center? *If* it ever sees the light of day, it likely won't be a part of the Heritage Center. </span></div></div>

I can't believe I just read that. Common decency prevents me from commenting further.

Verne [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/shocked.gif[/img]

[mssl72]

Not Heritage Center related at all. Real Archives, Engineering, Research and Development. These are guys that can pull blueprints for bolts that that were used to put brackets on mid 60's big blocks to see who the supplier was, plating type, head marking, etc. These are guys that were Project Managers for Corvettes, Cadillac XLR, new Camaro designers. Like I said, real car guys that want to find anything and everything. If one day stuff shows up, I would welcome it. But I'm definitely not holding my breath.

[bergy]

I agree Mark - never say never, but highly unlikely that documentation exists. I was fortunate to have transfered around GM quite a bit during the late 60s and throughout the 70s (assembly plant, foundry division, Warren R&amp;D). IMO the best chance of finding docs would have been at the assembly plant level. I got to follow a few &quot;executive requests&quot; through the process at the St. Louis assembly plant, but I never recall having kept written documents on them. We did have written AVOs, but didn't file them post build. Government emission certifications were required for drive train combinations - a non-compliant build wasn't something that was advertised. Also, including non-standard components at the assembly line level was an invitation for problems that had the potential of stopping the line - so most of the major &quot;specials&quot; would be done in the repair area or in the garage. All official paperwork (including trim tags) would show a standard build.

[ANDY M]

Guys, when Jim Mattison spoke at the MCACN last year, he revealed that he found the records, but he was a day late and a dollar short. According to Jim, he tracked down the information that there was a warehouse in PA with all of the Chevrolet records on microfiche. The bad news was that some GM bean counter had decided that they were more than 7 years old, and therefore obsolete. The contents of the warehouse were destroyed as a cost cutting measure.

END OF STORY. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/mad.gif[/img]


btw, Jim owns the PHS, and worked in the Chevrolet central office back in the day. I believe him.

[sYc]

I have quizzed Jim about this very matter, and he said there would be no firestorm within GM. GM/PHS has never had to appear as a witness in court, as the documents they provide are legal documents, permissable as evidence.

[69LM1]

I can tell you for a <span style="text-decoration: underline">fact</span> that the NICB has a field for horsepower as well as delivering dealer on their form/fiche. Not every form has the HP field filled and not every form has the dealer but many do.

When I was working with CarFax a few years ago to broker a deal with them and the database contractor they use to access the data and CarFax wanted some idea on market desire, I posted on a few sites about who would be interested and how much would they pay for a report. I posted a copy of a report on one of my cars. This was the REAL report from the DB contractor that accessed the fiche and created the database, on their forms, not some verbal from an officer or screen print.

The NICB got several calls threatening lawsuits and thereafter broke off negotiations with us.

The ONE physical report that I was able to get had that info on it and I got a cease and desist call from the officer via the NICB to remove the report image at once.

Why are so many people afriad of any info being made public? Why is the NICB, who could make a mint off of these reports so afraid to release the information?

RichPern