The best musclecar around 30K?

[ZiggyL78]

I agree on the odd cars.I'm more interested in them at shows,but I'm not sure they are the ones that are selling.AMXs are a good example.They are very quick when done right, but they are cheap to buy.I also like SC360 Hornets.Again.They were very fast stock.Another odd one was one of the fastest production cars in 1970 but it is low on the pole for a good seller.Stage 1 GSs are one of the nicest and quickest cars I have ever owned but they are tough to sell.5 years ago I had a black on black low 11 second GS that was a fully documented Stage 1.I couldn't get 20K for the car!I had to part the car out to get my money.Another one was a very nice W31 Cutlass.Orange with white stripes and white guts.It was an incredible car.It took me 4 months to get 21 for it.

[Tracker1]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ZiggyL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">5 years ago I had a black on black low 11 second GS that was a fully documented Stage 1.I couldn't get 20K for the car!I had to part the car out to get my money. </div></div>

You &quot;parted out&quot; an original black '70 Stage 1 Buick in 2005 or 2006??! Were you terminally ill in need of money? facing bankruptcy? going through a divorce and had to pay the ex? these are the only reasons I can see for doing such a thing and not passing the car on to someone else who may have a appreciated it more than you, even at a reduced cost. Not to be hating on you, but maybe you should consider coin collecting or the stock market if money means that much to you - obviously musclecars don't. Unless you did it for one of the above reasons I outlined, that was a real shame for someone to do that.

[Mr.Nickey Nova]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=ZiggyL78]5 years ago I had a black on black low 11 second GS that was a fully documented Stage 1.I couldn't get 20K for the car!I had to part the car out to get my money. </div></div>

You &quot;parted out&quot; an original black '70 Stage 1 Buick in 2005 or 2006??! Were you terminally ill in need of money? facing bankruptcy? going through a divorce and had to pay the ex? these are the only reasons I can see for doing such a thing and not passing the car on to someone else who may have a appreciated it more than you, even at a reduced cost. Not to be hating on you, but maybe you should consider coin collecting or the stock market if money means that much to you - obviously musclecars don't. Unless you did it for one of the above reasons I outlined, that was a real shame for someone to do that. [/quote

You nailed it right on the head with that statement,couldn't agree more!!

[ZiggyL78]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ZiggyL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">5 years ago I had a black on black low 11 second GS that was a fully documented Stage 1.I couldn't get 20K for the car!I had to part the car out to get my money. </div></div>

You &quot;parted out&quot; an original black '70 Stage 1 Buick in 2005 or 2006??! Were you terminally ill in need of money? facing bankruptcy? going through a divorce and had to pay the ex? these are the only reasons I can see for doing such a thing and not passing the car on to someone else who may have a appreciated it more than you, even at a reduced cost. Not to be hating on you, but maybe you should consider coin collecting or the stock market if money means that much to you - obviously musclecars don't. Unless you did it for one of the above reasons I outlined, that was a real shame for someone to do that. </div></div>

What if I told you that my sister was terminally ill and needed help in her dying days making ends meet? What if I told you that if I didn't do what I did, her children wouldn't have a decent meal or decent clothes to wear out in public? You think about that next time you judge someone.
I agree it was sad to part it out and I had a rough time doing it. I don't get where you're justified in judging me (probably because you're not). While we're drawing conclusions here, yours that means you must not believe in God right? If you say you do, you have no respect for him because we are advised to leave the judging up to him. I'm no religious fanatic, but while you're sitting on high ground looking down at us all, I just thought I would put that out there. Too bad you weren't around back then, you could have thrown down the cash and saved me from going to car collector's hell LOL .
For the rest of you that might be curious as to why someone might do such a thing, I will share it with you and start by asking a question. What is the difference between fulfilling one guy's dream to have a car like this and fulfilling many people's dreams by making their cars complete and helping many people get their restorations to a numbers matching status? Do you have any idea how many cars became numbers-matching, respected builds from just my one parted out car? I do! That's why I have no issue as a car enthusiast sleeping at night. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/wink.gif[/img]

[442w30]

Not sure how a car becomes numbers-matching from parts of another car, but hey . . . !

[Tracker1]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ZiggyL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ZiggyL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">5 years ago I had a black on black low 11 second GS that was a fully documented Stage 1.I couldn't get 20K for the car!I had to part the car out to get my money. </div></div>

You &quot;parted out&quot; an original black '70 Stage 1 Buick in 2005 or 2006??! Were you terminally ill in need of money? facing bankruptcy? going through a divorce and had to pay the ex? these are the only reasons I can see for doing such a thing and not passing the car on to someone else who may have a appreciated it more than you, even at a reduced cost. Not to be hating on you, but maybe you should consider coin collecting or the stock market if money means that much to you - obviously musclecars don't. Unless you did it for one of the above reasons I outlined, that was a real shame for someone to do that. </div></div>

What if I told you that my sister was terminally ill and needed help in her dying days making ends meet? What if I told you that if I didn't do what I did, her children wouldn't have a decent meal or decent clothes to wear out in public? You think about that next time you judge someone.
I agree it was sad to part it out and I had a rough time doing it. I don't get where you're justified in judging me (probably because you're not). While we're drawing conclusions here, yours that means you must not believe in God right? If you say you do, you have no respect for him because we are advised to leave the judging up to him. I'm no religious fanatic, but while you're sitting on high ground looking down at us all, I just thought I would put that out there. Too bad you weren't around back then, you could have thrown down the cash and saved me from going to car collector's hell LOL .
For the rest of you that might be curious as to why someone might do such a thing, I will share it with you and start by asking a question. What is the difference between fulfilling one guy's dream to have a car like this and fulfilling many people's dreams by making their cars complete and helping many people get their restorations to a numbers matching status? Do you have any idea how many cars became numbers-matching, respected builds from just my one parted out car? I do! That's why I have no issue as a car enthusiast sleeping at night. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/wink.gif[/img]

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I sympathize with your sister and your family's medical plight, but wouldn't have selling the GS for 14 or 15K been quicker in getting the money than &quot;parting it out&quot; over the course of a few months? Anyways if it is the car pictured that I am thinking of it's a shame you did it - I drove it, rode in it and have a personal history with it - that is (one of) the reason why I don't like what you did. And forget my previous, &quot;if&quot; - I know for certain this is the car Ken.

[RPOLS3]

While I would generally agree with everyone that you <span style="text-decoration: underline">should</span> be able to find something pretty nice for $30k - I am constantly amazed at the &quot;issues&quot; that many of these cars have (just ask kwhizz...).

Casually perusing the cars for sale at Jefferson this past Friday most everything I saw at any price range below $30k had seriously spray bombed engine compartments/chassis with Auto Zone accessories, questionable bodywork, and medicore interiors - most all needed something. Maybe I am too picky and certainly there are always exceptions to this but they are becoming fewer every year. You can see why no issue cars with original components (drivetrain and major accessories like alternator, distributor, carb, etc) are selling more quickly and getting more money.

Jake

[TDW]

Any interest in a very nice 72 Camaro, SS, 4 speed, heavy docs,very original, except paint, for 25?

[markinnaples]

That is actually pretty cool.

[markjohnson]

If I had $30K in the bank, it'd be staying in the bank. Too many areas of the country haven't recovered from the recession and many never will. Picture a pyramid in your head with the wide base being potential buyers for cars less than $10K and as you approach the tip of the pyramid, meaning more expensive cars, the amount of potential buyers that have that kind of money to spend dramatically shrinks. Even the people that DO have that kind of money DON'T want to let it go as freely in the pre-2008 world. The era of laying all those stacks of $100 bills on someone's kitchen table to pay for that &quot;toy&quot; that's in the garage have become increasingly rare. Yeah, I miss those days too, but that scenario just isn't happening that much anymore in many parts of the country. I'd be scared to death to have $30K or more wrapped up in a car without knowing that I couldn't get rid of it in the case of a job loss or family misfortune. Cars aren't selling and the ones that do sell are taking a very long time to do so. If I had to scratch a performance/fun car itch, I'd buy a nice, low-mileage late-model Mustang GT (or something similar), for less than $10-12K with air conditioning and CD player knowing that I could drive it to work everyday if need be. Now if you STILL want an older car after reading this apocalyptic response of mine, make sure you stick with something VERY popular like a Camaro/Chevelle/Corvette, etc. in a popular color. This is NOT the time to purchase an off-the-beaten-path strange type of car of any kind with a narrow fan base. Stick to the very popular brand/models so it's easier to sell when the time comes to try to get your money back.