"New" '69 Motion Camaro's

[djunod]

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=61903

[DarrenX33]

Hmmm. I smell a debate brewing whether the 12 cars were real Baldwin cars...

Sounds pretty cool. Anxious to see the results.

[djunod]

Of course they won't be "Baldwin" cars... I wonder why they even threw that part in?

[DarrenX33]

My thoughts as well. Unless Joel found 12 documented Baldwin cars for the conversion.

[55chevy]

there's no way these "new" 12 are "Baldwin" cars... If you ask me its all $$$ motivated. Cash in on "Baldwin/Motion" Camaros while they are "hot". ........... Because you know damn well these new 12 "baldwin motion" '69 Camaros will have a price tag in the six figures... Waaaaay beyond ANYTHING a working class guy like me will EVER be able to afford, much less ever own. .. All because this "supercar"/"baldwin/motion" craze has gotten WAY out of control and too many guys with more money than brains designed their own pricing system for the few hundred remaining cars that still exist... I guess I'm just out of the loop now.. Somehow we've developed into a time where a green/green 2bbl 307 '69 Nova with wear and tear is selling for 6-8k and anything else worth a damn is 5 to 6 figures???? And I'm making LESS money than I did 5 years ago??!! and paying twice as much for gas and food and everything else?? ....WTF?..... I feel like the "hobby" is losing me because it's barely "fun" anymore......
I just don't have the $$ to be an "accepted" participant.....

[Lynn]

Ed nailed it.

"Only" sees a $1500 verification fee?

I have never met Joel Rosen. He is probably a stand up guy, and I really don't have a problem with him cashing in on his reputation by building some special cars. They will be special.

As far as the verification fee, I don't get that figure at all, unless there is a lot more work involved than what I figure. It seems he kept records of most of the cars he tuned or modified. Someone calls him up, gives him a VIN and he spends 10 minutes (OK, he may be more like me and spend 20 min just looking) and charges $1500. While the service may well be worth it, seems pretty high.

If you had an original car and tracked down the original owner, asking for "verification" wouldn't you be outraged if he said "I won't tell you if I am the original owner until you send me a check for $1500"?

Don't get me wrong. He is a part of history and should be paid well for the information he has. $1500 a pop just seems a little out of line.

How much did the Yenko family charge to publish the list of 200 or so 69 YSC Camaro's?

Ed, there was a time when "real car guys" (and there are still some out there) would go out of their way for another car guy, even if they just met. Unfortunately, the almighty dollar still rules. That's why we have reproduction body shells (euphamistically called a "repair part") fake trim tags, fake POP's, "rebody" restorations (i.e. the illegal swapping of a VIN plate) and the like. Maybe I am just getting too old, but I liked the old days when my 69 Z (bought in 77 because I wanted one in high school but could only afford my 57 Chevy for $350) wasn't worth that much. Since I am not going to sell it, it just means now I have to insure it for more $$$$$.

Just blowing a little steam. Don't tell me what a great guy Joel is. Like I said, he may be a great guy. And I am sure his verification process is well worth it to many guys. I don't doubt that. I also realize there may be much more work involved than I am assuming.

Lynn

[fuzzbuster]

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there's no way these "new" 12 are "Baldwin" cars... If you ask me its all $$$ motivated. Cash in on "Baldwin/Motion" Camaros while they are "hot". ........... Because you know damn well these new 12 "baldwin motion" '69 Camaros will have a price tag in the six figures... Waaaaay beyond ANYTHING a working class guy like me will EVER be able to afford, much less ever own. .. All because this "supercar"/"baldwin/motion" craze has gotten WAY out of control and too many guys with more money than brains designed their own pricing system for the few hundred remaining cars that still exist... I guess I'm just out of the loop now.. Somehow we've developed into a time where a green/green 2bbl 307 '69 Nova with wear and tear is selling for 6-8k and anything else worth a damn is 5 to 6 figures???? And I'm making LESS money than I did 5 years ago??!! and paying twice as much for gas and food and everything else?? ....WTF?..... I feel like the "hobby" is losing me because it's barely "fun" anymore......
I just don't have the $$ to be an "accepted" participant.....

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Couldn't have been said more perfectly. Right on the ball.

[camarojoe]

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Somehow we've developed into a time where a green/green 2bbl 307 '69 Nova with wear and tear is selling for 6-8k and anything else worth a damn is 5 to 6 figures????

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Hey, whats your beef with green Novas? Seriously though, I see where both sides of this fence are coming from... personally, i could care less about what anyone is building in 2005 from a "new" supercar standpoint...Real supercars IMO were built 30+ years ago, not this year or last...Not to say I don't like or would mind owning a 2002 ZL-1 or a "new" Motion Camaro, or whatever, I just don't see them as anything like the real supercars of the 60s and 70s... they are cool cars, but theres no "mystique" about them. What makes older cars neat to me is how they survived years of being just regular cars that weren't cherished or worth much, beat on, used and abused, and have 30+years of history... These new cars roll off the showroom floor as collectibles, and will never turn into someones daily beater or race car like so many of the original supercars did...I don't know why that makes me think less of them, but it does... However, for everyone that feels like me, there is someone else out there that thinks a built in 2005 69 Motion camaro would be the shiznits and is lining up to drop down a big deposit for one to sit in their garage and look at and wax on. To each his own i guess, which is what the hobby is all about...

[427TJ]

Too bad he isn't making exact '69 Phase III L88 replicas! Yeah, they'd be a quarter-million too so nevermind...

I hope he makes money on this deal. It must bug him just a little that his creations change hands for huge amounts of money and he only sees a $1500 verification fee.