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Old 01-21-2023, 09:40 PM
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Phil, you haven't laid eyes on the car yes, it's you opinion but pure conjecture. Go to the auction and verify the documents, call the present and previous owners, so you have a more complete and some actual information. You may be correct, but it is just a guess since you have no intimate knowledge other than a few online pictures.
Steve,

With all due respect I have had a lifetime interest in these cars. I have met and spoke to Joel and Marty.

Factually when Joel was doing these cars you got two kinds of letters:

This is a car we built in our shop letter and the VIN matches our records


Or

"This is a car that kind of looks like something we may have likely worked on"


This car has neither. In fact neither Joel or Marty will endorse it.

20 years ago the hobby called a car like this "undocumented" or a "catalog car"

If I am getting any of this wrong please correct me.
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Old 01-21-2023, 10:36 PM
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Paperwork would make this a 350,000-400,000 car. It was probably built by motion in 68 as per the prior owners and mechanics but the paperwork would guarantee the high price.
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Old 01-21-2023, 10:54 PM
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Paperwork would make this a 350,000-400,000 car. It was probably built by motion in 68 as per the prior owners and mechanics but the paperwork would guarantee the high price.

The valve covers were not available until the early early 1970's

This has been pointed out and asked about.

The description of the affidavit from Billy describes his range of employment as through 1972 so it is possible that he worked on it.
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Old 01-21-2023, 11:15 PM
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Paperwork would make this a 350,000-400,000 car. It was probably built by motion in 68 as per the prior owners and mechanics but the paperwork would guarantee the high price.
Idk, if I owned this car and was selling it, I’d want the absolute most I could get for it as it’s one of a kind and not easily replaced. That being said, imagine finding out the next owner got the car authenticated as a new car conversion by whoever has the Motion documents. Although it could also go the other way, but still, I’d have to know.
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Old 01-21-2023, 11:23 PM
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I can tell you in the video of the second owner talking about the car. Incidentally he bought it from his boss the original owner. He says the car had steel valve covers when he owned it. He also says he thinks the third owner an acquaintance of his added the cast valve covers. Jerry MacNeish has looked at it and says it is an original unrestored car with Motion modifications. No it does not have a letter from Motion but it has been inspected by a Motion employee who said he did the work. The engine in this car is not an engine that would have been put in it after the first owner because the second owner says it is the motor that was in the car when he bought it from his boss. If I owned the car in 1970 I would have put those valve covers on it and so would most everyone else. Very few knew then what would be being scrutinized 53 years later. The car speaks for itself those that have seen it, the documentation including notarized letters and a video, are not the ones feeling it was built or converted years later.
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Is the original owner Tex Faulkner still alive?
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The original owner has passed but believe 2nd,3rd & 4th are alive.
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I see the car had bumper guards. Why remove and not reinstall? Does it have truck guards on it too?
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Old 01-22-2023, 01:09 AM
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Wow. Another one down the drain.

I have no idea what a "legal prospecitve" is.

Maybe it is a new term to describe how to turn a thread from "free exchange of ideas" to "I know more than you do"???

I don't get it.

To Joe S: Good luck with the auction buddy.

This might be a good place to lock it down.
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This might be a good place to lock it down.
Agreed. This is not headed anywhere good.

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