Little engines that can

[novadude]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Day2_69Z</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The best time to tune a carb &amp; plugs for a fine line &quot;close&quot; dial in is at night or in your Dark Trailer where you can read the Header Colors &amp; lenght of Red Hot Pipes. .. . .Decades old , old school tuning WILL NEVER BECOME a THING of the Past,
Right Sam ....? </div></div>

I think it already has become a thing of the past with data loggers, widebands, etc. I run a wideband in the Nova and it's a better tool than all the plug reading voodoo.

[old5.0]

Local 89 Mustang notchback, stock short, 20 year old Ultradyne solid roller, home-ported GT40 top end, T5 with modified synchros, stock suspension, 4.30 gears, goes 10.70s regularly and if that thing makes more than 375 to the tires, I'll eat my shoes. Guy's owned it since new, has thousands of passes and knows the car inside and out.

[DW31S]

I've always loved the little &quot;underdogs&quot;. Earlier in the thread MacNeish's D/S was discussed. Yes , 10.40s and a Brinks truck for a tow vehicle. It ain't cheap to play with the NHRA guys, but if you wanna be there in the late rounds that is what it takes. National Records runs are usually on the ragged edge and much like qualifying, is almost NEVER the race set-up. Someone mentioned that if you took a record holding engine out of the record holding car and installed it in a different car itight run 2 seconds slower....so true. The engine is but one piece of the puzzle. I just went 11.83 on an easy test-n-tune pass with a 350 Okds in my '69 W-31. Still need to sort out a few things, but we are on the right path. By far, not the easiest combo. to make a fast car; I wish Danny Latimore was on here. A true MAGICIAN when it comes to doing more with less!!!

[Salvatore]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EZ Nova</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Day2_69Z</div><div class="ubbcode-body">$120,000 @ 850 ci.
VS
$500,000 @ 500 ci.

May have a little something to do with it

R&amp;D &amp; PROVEN RESULTS = $$$$$ </div></div>

I think you a bit low on both? Not sure but I recall hearing a lease plan for 500's was about a million per year</div></div>

About right EZ.

[VintageMusclecar]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VintageMusclecar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The power figures are legit. The wink was a nod to the efficiency of the package, that's all. When the vehicle itself is scienced out to the &quot;nth&quot; it doesn't take that much power to run quickly.

I have a friend with a Fox body Mustang that used to be a magazine project car. At the starting line it weighs right around 3000 lbs. The engine is a ridiculously mild carbureted 302, and at the time it was backed up with a prepped OEM 5 speed and a Ford Motorsports Dana rear with a 4.5X gear. On 26X9 tires it ran 11.80's at 110-ish. On a chassis dyno it barely cracked 300 HP. (It now runs a prepped C4 and is a tad slower due to other issues)
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Here's the car I'm referencing:

[Day2_69Z]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EZ Nova</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Day2_69Z</div><div class="ubbcode-body">$120,000 @ 850 ci.
VS
$500,000 @ 500 ci.

May have a little something to do with it

R&amp;D &amp; PROVEN RESULTS = $$$$$ </div></div>
I think you a bit low on both? Not sure but I recall hearing a lease plan for 500's was about a million per year</div></div>

About right EZ.</div></div>

My referenced $500,000 wasn't for a Whole Season
of a Lease Plan.....But to Buy and own 1 engine + spares to be able to race and not Blow it up. (Blowing one up means pushing rods out of the Block or Pan, Busting up the Crank and or Block.)
Maintenance such as dozens of pistons,rods, a 1/2 dozen Billet cams, a Dozen Lifter pairs....some sleeves , ,,,, Valves and Valve train. Etc is just &quot;maintaining what you race with&quot; .........
Leasing a one race deal engine for $50k doesn't get you much to compete with , let alone qualify with.

A $1,000,000 Lease plan on a Elite type package Only Gets you The Motor Exchange Plan......If you Blow it/them Up....you're Bill Goes way Up.
And you nor your crew chief Can Not Pull the Heads !!!!

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VintageMusclecar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VintageMusclecar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The power figures are legit. The wink was a nod to the efficiency of the package, that's all. When the vehicle itself is scienced out to the &quot;nth&quot; it doesn't take that much power to run quickly.

I have a friend with a Fox body Mustang that used to be a magazine project car. At the starting line it weighs right around 3000 lbs. The engine is a ridiculously mild carbureted 302, and at the time it was backed up with a prepped OEM 5 speed and a Ford Motorsports Dana rear with a 4.5X gear. On 26X9 tires it ran 11.80's at 110-ish. On a chassis dyno it barely cracked 300 HP. (It now runs a prepped C4 and is a tad slower due to other issues)
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Here's the car I'm referencing:


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Oh man. Off topic, but thanks for posting a pic of that car. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

[miket1]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VintageMusclecar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One more from Wade on the ST forum. Note this was posted 4 years ago:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No tricks really. Lots of testing on cams, converters and carburetors. Our spec Ross pistons, Manley rods from the NHRA approved list and Total Seal Gapless rings and pins must weigh at least 1195 grams. Our best cams are in the 262/266 @ .050 range. We have 5 or 6 cast iron intakes (we can legally run a 327/300 manifold) and randomly test at the track for which is quickest. The light oil doesnt work for us, we use 5/20 Royal Purple, 3-5 qts depending on what we're doing. Stock oil pans and stock appearing cranks also hurt us. The any valve job rule did pick our program up, though. 2.08 first gear and a 5.86 in the rear creates a 7600 finish line rpm......

That 11.46 run was 1.47 60', 7.19 660', 11.46 @ 112.99 in 2700' of air. We done this at an Indy div last year.</div></div> </div></div>

Wade is a very good friend of mine, he is a very sharp guy that researches and does his homework, he has tuned &amp; tweaked his Chevelle for years, and he hangs with other stock class racers like the Wenzel brothers, Jerry MacNeish, etc.

[Vortecpro]

&quot;In modern NHRA STOCK CLASS, 302 &amp; 305 Heads are so exotic that the valves are relocated, cantilevered and the heads cut in 1/4's , relocated &amp; raised ports, rewelded etc, etc, etc......its common to have $18 - $ 22,000 + in heads and intake work.&quot;
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This is not correct information. Eric you are right 373 crank shaft HP does deliver this type of performance at Wades given weight. Its absurd to believe any one has any reason to mislead HP figures on this car. The 305 stocker BTW is a stronger package by far than the 283 combination. Stocker heads have non of these above modifications. Its all about making your power at a higher RPM then being able to carry the power, then theres the rolling car which sets some people apart from the rest.

[Vortecpro]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KenMaisano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Day2_69Z</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 67 Nova Boy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR2eawiyK98

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtSSMSDHysw

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In modern NHRA STOCK CLASS, 302 &amp; 305 Heads are so exotic that the valves are relocated, cantilevered and the heads cut in 1/4's , relocated &amp; raised ports, rewelded etc, etc, etc......its common to have $18 - $ 22,000 + in heads and intake work.</div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Day2_69Z</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 67 Nova Boy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR2eawiyK98

Yep they look like W2 mopar heads. Neat stuff!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtSSMSDHysw

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In modern NHRA STOCK CLASS, 302 &amp; 305 Heads are so exotic that the valves are relocated, cantilevered and the heads cut in 1/4's , relocated &amp; raised ports, rewelded etc, etc, etc......its common to have $18 - $ 22,000 + in heads and intake work.</div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Day2_69Z</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 67 Nova Boy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR2eawiyK98

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtSSMSDHysw

</div></div>
In modern NHRA STOCK CLASS, 302 &amp; 305 Heads are so exotic that the valves are relocated, cantilevered and the heads cut in 1/4's , relocated &amp; raised ports, rewelded etc, etc, etc......its common to have $18 - $ 22,000 + in heads and intake work.</div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Day2_69Z</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 67 Nova Boy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR2eawiyK98

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtSSMSDHysw

</div></div>
In modern NHRA STOCK CLASS, 302 &amp; 305 Heads are so exotic that the valves are relocated, cantilevered and the heads cut in 1/4's , relocated &amp; raised ports, rewelded etc, etc, etc......its common to have $18 - $ 22,000 + in heads and intake work.</div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Day2_69Z</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 67 Nova Boy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR2eawiyK98

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtSSMSDHysw

</div></div>
In modern NHRA STOCK CLASS, 302 &amp; 305 Heads are so exotic that the valves are relocated, cantilevered and the heads cut in 1/4's , relocated &amp; raised ports, rewelded etc, etc, etc......its common to have $18 - $ 22,000 + in heads and intake work.</div></div> </div></div>


Ken, you know this is ridiculous.