Restamping blocks??????????????

[RJS]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EZ Nova</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SS427</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like many political issues if we just sweep them under the rug they just fester and never go away. With many web sites constantly discussing this issue it is hoped that the people who are trying to fraud others will back down to some degree as they know they are being watched and scrutinized. That and many can be named so as to bring them to the forefront so that more people learn to shy away from them. Also we are helping to educate buyers as to what to look for when buying a car or at the very least attempt to show them how important it can be to hire a professional to inspect their car potentially saving them thousands of dollars. Personally I do not think this subject can be discussed enough. </div></div>

I agree. Just because we are &quot;in the know&quot; on this site, doesn't mean everyone out there is! Like SS said &quot;With many web sites constantly discussing this issue it is hoped that the people who are trying to fraud others will back down to some degree as they know they are being watched and scrutinized&quot;.

What's sad is, I'm just a guy from SW Ontario who likes cars, has a couple and a bit of knowledge I pick up along the way. I got into this heated discussion YEARS ago with a well known, high end dealer about a car from my home town. He did pretty much the exact same thing. Bought a car that I PERSONALLY knew, restored it, and was asking LARGE for a L78 1970 Nova, in fact, he turned down $78,000.00 I believe because he mentioned something along the lines of &quot;Where will you find a NUMBERS MATCHING restored L78 '70 Nova for that price. When I questioned him on the original motor, he said &quot;they found it in a nearby state&quot; and that it &quot;was authenticated&quot; by chevy GURU. Well we went back and forth for a bit and there was plenty on here questioning ME and my right to raise the question of this well respected dealer. WELL low and behold, the owner of the original engine showed up to support what I was told and stated he STILL HAD the engine, as well as documents and photos of the motor being PULLED from that car and going into his. The seller got quite after that.

I'm just bring to light that there seems to be more then a few holes in the whole deal, re-stamps and questionable scrap/wreaking yard body. And letting the &quot;buyer beware&quot; that this could possibly be a rebody restamp piece together car as I have spoken to the original owner who sold the car WITHOUT the original motor back in the '70's. And when he searched for the car, and found it had been scrapped, he went to the wreaking yard and the owner said &quot;they crushed it a few months ago&quot;???? But yet is shows up now, with &quot;numbers matching&quot; attached to it???

SHADY money hungry seller that is putting a bad light on our hobby. </div></div>


Glad you stood your ground.

As more and more people that &quot;liked&quot; cars over the years become financially stable enough to finally buy one we with knowledge shouldn't assume all have the same knowledge. A guy starts his search after the kids are grown and out of the house and because __________ states a car is #'s he makes said purchase only to be duped.
Ron

[PeteLeathersac]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SS427</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like many political issues if we just sweep them under the rug they just fester and never go away. With many web sites constantly discussing this issue it is hoped that the people who are trying to fraud others will back down to some degree as they know they are being watched and scrutinized. That and many can be named so as to bring them to the forefront so that more people learn to shy away from them. Also we are helping to educate buyers as to what to look for when buying a car or at the very least attempt to show them how important it can be to hire a professional to inspect their car potentially saving them thousands of dollars. <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">Personally I do not think this subject can be discussed enough.</span></span> </div></div>


All good comments but Amen and nicely put on all counts here Rick!!!
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~ Pete

[earntaz]

Education is the key -- and as long as there are dedicated followers of this forum and the stories they relate ... the quest for truth will prevail. The sad part of this whole deal is those without a clue will continue to be hood-winked by sellers. TAZ

[VintageMusclecar]

This topic is a double-edged sword.

I've personally had my ass ran up the flagpole <span style="font-style: italic">more than once</span> for informing a customer that they'd been duped into buying a re-stamped carb.

Sometimes people don't <span style="font-style: italic">want</span> the truth. They simply want you to validate the decision(s) they've already made.

The tough part is figuring out whom to tell and when to keep my mouth shut.

[kwhizz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VintageMusclecar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This topic is a double-edged sword.

I've personally had my ass ran up the flagpole <span style="font-style: italic">more than once</span> for informing a customer that they'd been duped into buying a re-stamped carb.

Sometimes people don't <span style="font-style: italic">want</span> the truth. They simply want you to validate the decision(s) they've already made.

The tough part is figuring out whom to tell and when to keep my mouth shut. </div></div>



Yep x 10000

[black69]

A guy that retools convertible mopar quarters told me the other day, he has informed more that a few folks that their convertible cudas and challengers were made out of coupes. That does not go over well either [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

That's way worse that having the wrong drive train! I imagine they are just numb and speechless. I would be.

[XXXGoldL34M20]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black69</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A guy that retools convertible mopar quarters told me the other day, he has informed more that a few folks that their convertible cudas and challengers were made out of coupes. That does not go over well either [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

That's way worse that having the wrong drive train! I imagine they are just numb and speechless. I would be. </div></div>

How would they fool people if the fender tag and vin had the model right on there?
They must have used fender tags and vin tags from a convertible and put them on the chopped coupe. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img] Which is the nasty re-body trick but in this case even nastier being a double whammy as a re-body and former coupe turned into a drop top. Wow

[black69]

Yep, I would assume a re-tagged car. I could imagine someone could miss that the rockers on a convertible are heavier gauge as just <span style="font-style: italic">one</span> example. You could probably get enough stuff from a wrecked or rusted car, but odds are you would miss something an expert would find.

[SS427]

My rule of thumb in that situation is, if they ask, I tell them. If they don't ask, I keep my mouth shut. Even when they ask I have been met with some rather hostile people before. $182k paid for a Shadow Grey LS6 that used to be a Malibu. He was NOT happy but between Chris and I we got $120k of his money back from the seller so all ended well. Rick Hendrick being told two of his cars were fake. NOT HAPPY! Sad thing is, his two cars inspections were freebies and I still was the bad guy! Go figure! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/bs.gif[/img]

[XXXGoldL34M20]

A few weeks ago I was hired to inspect and consign a 1970 Challenger R/T SE 440 U-code car. He bought the car thinking it had the &quot;Born with drive train&quot; after I went under the car I told him the bad news that the Tranny was a Blank Pad service replacement 833 unit and the motor all though date code correct came from a whole different plant and car then the car it was in.
He was so pissed off he did not even want to talk to me anymore and I told him that I was just doing what he paid for.
That car went from being worth an ex amount of money that he paid out to almost half of what it's worth now.
Some guys should spend the money for an inspection before they buy a car not after they buy the car.
This also happened a few years back as a friend of mine bought an LS6 70 Chevelle SS and called me to inspect it after it was paid for and delivered to his home. Car had a fake build sheet non original drive train etc.... I told him he should have had me look at the car before he bought it.
Sellers look for people like these 2 examples but at the same time some buyers cheap out on a simple inspection that would have saved them Thousands of dollars for the small fee.