L89 Ragtop on Ebay

[L30M20]

Looks like the spacing is for the Norwood later style(short) plate. Wonder if its a Norwood car with a VNuy plate? Would like to see hidden vins and rose rivits........C

[Lynn]

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Here's the tag info from what I can see with the numbers/letters. The positioning of the numbers/letters is interesting. I have attached a copy of the pic.

ST 69 12467 VN295357

TR 729 72 1 (or maybe a 4)

03D S080

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Should be AA for a white convertible top. I only see one A, but then it is a fake tag anyway.

[Seattle Sam]

Here is a shot of the tag, lightened up for clarity..



It is a little different from this one -

[Z28DZ]

Pretty common for a VN or LOS plate rivet to partially obscure or even hide the first digit of the build date on '69's.

[GTO_DON]

There was one sold at carlisle a few years ago that was identical to that car. It was sold as a clone for 75k and the guy said it had a true l89 drivetrain in it but not from the car. Maybe the same car,maybe not.

[Jim Ferron]

In talking with the owner of this car, it was never represented to me as anything other than what it was.

Two points.

#1.IF that was a REAL car with 'born with' parts...YOU tell me what is it worth with no documentation BUT with everything else perfect, trim tag,interior,undisputed stampings history so on. I'll bet a couple hundred thousand or more.

#2.Anybody here ever restore a car to #1 condtion? Buy all the parts? Add in a set of correct L-89 heads. Go get a cherry 69 Rag Top core..even a gold 307 car..try to get one for under $20,000..just for the core.

Have a car painted at the body shop lately? Bring 10 grand [or more] for a nice job on a rust-free car. Add it up guys, and tell me how you can build a 4-speed, aluminum head 4 bolt main, car. $70K for parts alone...not to mention labor.

If everybody on this board AND on Camaro.net and everywhere else can figure out this car is most likely a bunch a parts, what in the world makes you think you/we are the only smart folks in the world. I'm sure the buyer knew exactly what he was buying...what he tells his buds at the local cruise night is a completely different story.

JMHO

[427king]

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#2.Anybody here ever restore a car to #1 condtion? Buy all the parts? Add in a set of correct L-89 heads. Go get a cherry 69 Rag Top core..even a gold 307 car..try to get one for under $20,000..just for the core.

Have a car painted at the body shop lately? Bring 10 grand [or more] for a nice job on a rust-free car. Add it up guys, and tell me how you can build a 4-speed, aluminum head 4 bolt main, car. $70K for parts alone...not to mention labor

[/ QUOTE ] While i certainly agree what things cost, restoring a car and spending that money doesnt give the car that added value unless the car is valuable due to rarity first. I can restore a 70 Malibu and spend 60K easily doing it as in your post above, it doesnt make the Malibu worth 60K however...If your above example was the case, anyone could take any car, restore it and then get paid for thier work.That doesnt normally happen

[Jim Ferron]

King,

On THIS car, fact is, if it indeed it were a 'real L-89' the price would have been well beyond $125,000.[$1,000,000 was hyperbole, no?] I believe I saw a L-89 Conv CORE [real] sell somewhere within the last year for approx that kind of $$ and it need full restoration..[another $60K+].

I have read discussions, here I believe, that numbers matching can no longer be construed as 'born with'.

Wordsmithing is an art form. I wish it wasn't that way but unless you have documentation, a car, to me MUST be taken as a clone unless otherwise authenticated. And like I said in talking with the owner of THIS car, I felt it was clear, in a 'wordsmithing' 2007 kind of way, the car was un documented...emphasis on UN ]

If the eventual owner of this car wanted a #1 clone and wanted to have a quality shop build it for him from scratch...you can't tell me they could build a nicer one a whole lot cheaper than that kind of money with good parts on a rust-free core [Gold 307].
Then you tell me would you have for this spring? Next spring?

If the car was so obviously a clone, I'm sure the buyer was aware. We have no way of knowing what he paid for it. What it was worth to us doesn't have to jive with what it was worth to him...and like I said. Go build one for less.

Again just my opinion, but I have gone beyond not trusting people. All cars are fake unless proven otherwise.

To get all excited over a fake trim tag on a car that is priced for half of what a real one is worth and the owner pretty much tell's you the same thing...it's a duck.

BTW, King, I see your stuff on e-bay...what's all that L-89 stuff worth? Right heads, 4 bolt block [even without a stamp] Dist, Alt, Carb,Smog...ain't cheap is it? Then build it[machine shop] with a four speed with a four hundred dollar shifter handle...Maybe I feel his pain as I build my Hurst Olds...