Car for Sale Misrepresentation

[Mr Yenko]

Just a shame that a MAN'S word is not what it use to be worth. But I always said, that when buying 20K or 200K dollar car. Hire someone to inspect it for ya.. Don't see anything good coming out of this..BUYER BEWARE

[daleone3]

To your point Mr. Yenko, could this all be somewhat resolved and out in the open if the person that sold the car who appears to be an active member here repost the ad? It is interesting that there have been many ads posted over time by the seller but this one is curiously missing from his profile history, that being the case one has to assume that there is some interpretation of the ad that may not align with what the buyer experienced.
Everyone has there own idea of "excellent" or "untouched" or even "correct" so you need to be careful about that but to infer a vehicle is in excellent running condition or a clutch is performing well when it certainly appears there were top end and clutch issues, makes one wonder about how honest the portrayal of the vehicle actually was.
In this case, I hope everyone realizes that you have to assume a car needs work and you have to assume a seller is going to be less than up front about some aspect of the vehicle. Not always the case but needs to be the general belief going into any sale

[SS4Real]

I would get it fixed on move on. No car is perfect and even the very good ones need some type of maintenance if they are driven. While the seller may not have been as forthcoming as you are, nothing substitutes for an inspection by you. Sorry to hear it was not as good as you had hoped, but it can be fixed. The issues you describe don't sound all that daunting. There are lots of good restorers out there that can fix your car to your standards. I've had my car for 17 years and it was nearly perfect when I bought mine, yet I still fix or make something better every year.

I would like to hear from the other side. Sounds like a fair compromise is in order.

[caj]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SS4Real</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would get it fixed on move on. No car is perfect and even the very good ones need some type of maintenance if they are driven. While the seller may not have been as forthcoming as you are, nothing substitutes for an inspection by you. Sorry to hear it was not as good as you had hoped, but it can be fixed. The issues you describe don't sound all that daunting. There are lots of good restorers out there that can fix your car to your standards. I've had my car for 17 years and it was nearly perfect when I bought mine, yet I still fix or make something better every year.

I would like to hear from the other side. Sounds like a fair compromise is in order. </div></div>


Believe me Jim, I would like nothing more than Danny to come on this post and talk to everyone. I had originally offered to pay the first $1,000 towards expenses but that wasn't working for Danny. I agree, a fair compromise is in order. I have heard from members here that they have seen him lurking here today. I'm not sure how they can tell that but if he has been here, he hasn't said anything. Danny, if you see this, say something so we can work something out. Otherwise, your inactions speaks for itself.

[Charley Lillard]

I have changed the settings in the for sale section so now after 24 hours the post can't be edited. It would have been nice to see what the ad had said.

[Don_Lightfoot]

It is unfortunate to read these circumstances regarding Danny. He and I have communicated over the years on the odd matter. I certainly cannot comment on the car since I don't recall seeing the &quot;for sale&quot; ad.

When I got back into the hobby in 1991 I bought a 64 GTO based on pictures only. It was a long way away in Alberta so travelling to inspect it was tough. I knew it needed a full restoration so some of the misrepresented items in the ad did not upset me too much. Also, values back then were nowhere near what they are today. I never did get back to him once I received and inspected the car. Deal was done and so be it. I restored the car and enjoyed it for a few years.

Since that time I have purchased four other Musclecars. I did personal inspections on all of them. Two of them were in Florida which was a major expense to go and see them. Each one had some issues which I learned in the inspections and others after I got them home. For me there was always things I wanted to do to the cars anyway to improve them, etc., so I didn't lose any sleep over the issues. For each of them I was happy with what I got, where I improved it and enjoyed them as well. Since I am not an investor, I was not overly worried about the money spent to improve and/or correct things as it was all about the enjoyment. At least that was my philosophy which can obviously be different than other people.

As mentioned earlier, I cannot comment on the correctness of the ad. What bothers me in today's world is a lot of manipulation in &quot;wording&quot; for a bunch of sale ads (not saying it was done in this circumstance). I can only imagine that every car that is sold needs something, some more than others. Hard to itemize all items in an ad. More times than not I would say these items would be disclosed and/or discussed in telephone conversations before the sale. From your standpoint it appears not all of this was done in this case.

From what you say Craig all the items can be addressed. If this is indeed the car you want then go ahead and fix them I guess (as was mentioned by another member previously). Once it's done then you will be happy and be able to enjoy it rather than dwell on the sale process itself. You are certainly frustrated at this time which I know will be hard to put behind you. I wish you luck and hopefully the car will turn out to be everything you wanted.

[caj]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Don_Lightfoot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is unfortunate to read these circumstances regarding Danny. He and I have communicated over the years on the odd matter. I certainly cannot comment on the car since I don't recall seeing the &quot;for sale&quot; ad.

When I got back into the hobby in 1991 I bought a 64 GTO based on pictures only. It was a long way away in Alberta so travelling to inspect it was tough. I knew it needed a full restoration so some of the misrepresented items in the ad did not upset me too much. Also, values back then were nowhere near what they are today. I never did get back to him once I received and inspected the car. Deal was done and so be it. I restored the car and enjoyed it for a few years.

Since that time I have purchased four other Musclecars. I did personal inspections on all of them. Two of them were in Florida which was a major expense to go and see them. Each one had some issues which I learned in the inspections and others after I got them home. For me there was always things I wanted to do to the cars anyway to improve them, etc., so I didn't lose any sleep over the issues. For each of them I was happy with what I got, where I improved it and enjoyed them as well. Since I am not an investor, I was not overly worried about the money spent to improve and/or correct things as it was all about the enjoyment. At least that was my philosophy which can obviously be different than other people.

As mentioned earlier, I cannot comment on the correctness of the ad. What bothers me in today's world is a lot of manipulation in &quot;wording&quot; for a bunch of sale ads (not saying it was done in this circumstance). I can only imagine that every car that is sold needs something, some more than others. Hard to itemize all items in an ad. More times than not I would say these items would be disclosed and/or discussed in telephone conversations before the sale. From your standpoint it appears not all of this was done in this case.

From what you say Craig all the items can be addressed. If this is indeed the car you want then go ahead and fix them I guess (as was mentioned by another member previously). Once it's done then you will be happy and be able to enjoy it rather than dwell on the sale process itself. You are certainly frustrated at this time which I know will be hard to put behind you. I wish you luck and hopefully the car will turn out to be everything you wanted. </div></div>

Hi Don and thanks for your reply to this matter. I have a question for you. You mentioned that you and Danny have communicated over the years on the odd matter. Was the odd matter that you communicated with Danny the clutch problem that he was experiencing with the Challenger by any chance? If so, did he try any remedies besides just trying to adjust the clutch? Thanks, Craig

[Xplantdad]

I don't know either of these folks but I do want to remind everyone of the &quot;rule&quot; stated at the top of the For Sale section. Seems like a simple enough thing to do...&quot;to make it right-or not be able to post here any more&quot;.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> We still have the satisfaction guarantee rule. If it is yours you need to stand behind what you are selling or risk being able to post here.</div></div>

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[70 Forest Green Zee]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xplantdad</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know either of these folks but I do want to remind everyone of the &quot;rule&quot; stated at the top of the For Sale section. Seems like a simple enough thing to do...&quot;to make it right-or not be able to post here any more&quot;.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> We still have the satisfaction guarantee rule. If it is yours you need to stand behind what you are selling or risk being able to post here.</div></div>

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As usual, Bruce has hit the nail right on the head..... XXXBlackLS6M22 needs to make this right to CAJ's satisfaction or be banned from using this sight. Blatantly misrepresenting a car for sale here should just not be tolerated and Mr. Pascoe I also agree with you that a few bad apples are going to ruin it for everyone. I truly hope that Danny makes this right for everyone's sake!

[Don_Lightfoot]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: caj</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Hi Don and thanks for your reply to this matter. I have a question for you. You mentioned that you and Danny have communicated over the years on the odd matter. Was the odd matter that you communicated with Danny the clutch problem that he was experiencing with the Challenger by any chance? If so, did he try any remedies besides just trying to adjust the clutch? Thanks, Craig </div></div>

It wasn't about your car Craig. Danny is a fellow Chevelle enthusiast and our communications were related to that species.