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Old 11-11-2008, 03:42 AM
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That has been going on for a long time. I think their programming is catching up so it is sometimes hit and miss. Its nothing new.



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Old 11-11-2008, 04:14 AM
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FYI,I helped line up the original frontend and a original SD transaxle for it today so with Tiemanns help it WILL be what it once was.Im sure the mags will pick it up and the project will be great to watch.Tom
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FYI,I helped line up the original frontend and a original SD transaxle for it today so with Tiemanns help it WILL be what it once was.Im sure the mags will pick it up and the project will be great to watch.Tom

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sorry, no original motor (which is practically impossible)the car wont be perfect.
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FYI,I helped line up the original frontend and a original SD transaxle for it today so with Tiemanns help it WILL be what it once was.Im sure the mags will pick it up and the project will be great to watch.Tom

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sorry, no original motor (which is practically impossible)the car wont be perfect.

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original motor in a S/S or AFX car is nearly unheard of. If it does have an original motor it wasn't run hard and didn't win many races or it was restamped . Also, these early cars did not have partial VINS like the late 60's cars so there is no definitive way to determine originality in most cases. Non-original motors in this stratospheric realm does not hurt the car at all (imho) This car was bot right and will bring a ton when and if it resurfaces on the market (again imho)
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Old 11-11-2008, 04:45 AM
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Non-original motors in this stratospheric realm does not hurt the car at all (imho)

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I agree 110%....especially when the car is as well documented as this one obviously is!

And kudos to Tom for already helping to line up the ultra-rare parts that this car needs
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FYI,I helped line up the original frontend and a original SD transaxle for it today so with Tiemanns help it WILL be what it once was.Im sure the mags will pick it up and the project will be great to watch.Tom

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sorry, no original motor (which is practically impossible)the car wont be perfect.

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original motor in a S/S or AFX car is nearly unheard of. If it does have an original motor it wasn't run hard and didn't win many races or it was restamped . Also, these early cars did not have partial VINS like the late 60's cars so there is no definitive way to determine originality in most cases. Non-original motors in this stratospheric realm does not hurt the car at all (imho) This car was bot right and will bring a ton when and if it resurfaces on the market (again imho)

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but you have to agree that if the original motor (which is rumored to exist) ends up with the factory body the price value WILL go up. this is common sense.
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I am confusd Now will the restoration include returning it to as built spec's or leave it as raced. Isn't it worth more and more well known as a drag car as it was the fastest car in 63????????????

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This is amazing.....ya gotta love the PHS documentation and the great work of Pete McCarthy and his incredible book on the factory race Pontiac Super Duties.

I probably have this story a little wrong, so the Pontiac guys can chime in, but didn't one of these Tempest SD Coupes win the Daytona 200 mile Race of Champions, and maybe lap the second place car?? Then as the story goes, it was bought by Mercedes (or Porshe?), taken to Germany and reverse engineered, never to appear again??
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I am confusd Now will the restoration include returning it to as built spec's or leave it as raced. Isn't it worth more and more well known as a drag car as it was the fastest car in 63????????????

Jim

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The look on Tiemann's mug might be worth something
... otherwise go as-built all day long - transaxle's a pretty key ingredient.
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but you have to agree that if the original motor (which is rumored to exist) ends up with the factory body the price value WILL go up. this is common sense.

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Yes, if there was another Stan Long SD Tempest and this one finds its born-with motor. Unless, of course, the one with the replacement engine has a cooler history ...
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