Barrett Jackson Las Vegas

[PeteLeathersac]

If the allegations are indeed true, nothing says the fraudster wasn't detailed enough to include a matching Vin in both hidden locations..


~ Pete

[Fast67VelleN2O]

What makes this CAR any different from an extremely rusty shell that has had 95% of the metal replaced in order to "save" it. Yes the car has been "vin swapped" and the sellers have never disclosed this. What is the difference between swapping plates on a 6 cyl rust free body and a hidden vin to save a very rare and valuable car and replacing 95% of the metal on the real car? I do not see a difference whatsoever.

[al8apex]

there is a HUGE difference when it is touted as being "original", at least IMHO

[The Dude]

Thats the thing, it was sold as original. One of the most documented original Zs out there. Personally I wouldnt care if it was rebodied. Choosing between a car with 95% Chinese repro metal and 5% (cowl where tags are attached) real and one thats been rebodied with a shell made by GM, Ill take the rebody. So tell me what one is more real.

[BARRY]

HI what is it worth now

[PeteLeathersac]

A Vin jumped car being illegal is one BIG difference!.


~ Pete

[Fast67VelleN2O]

Put what this car was represented as aside please. What I am talking about here is JUST the car itself. I saw a few posts earlier that someone said the car should be DESTROYED (Les Quam i believe it was). If the vins were never "stolen" and 2 cars were purchased legally and the vin and hidden numbers were switched to SAVE a very rare set of numbers, then I don't see what the difference is between saving a car with 95% of the metal needing to be replaced and one that is completely solid and had a rare set of numbers put on it from a very rusty body to save a piece of GM history.

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

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Thats the thing, it was sold as original. One of the most documented original Zs out there. Personally I wouldnt care if it was rebodied. Choosing between a car with 95% Chinese repro metal and 5% (cowl where tags are attached) real and one thats been rebodied with a shell made by GM, Ill take the rebody. So tell me what one is more real.

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One thing to consider for those (most of us) who love their cars and also enjoy the fact that we can enjoy something which is a viable investment.

One of the reasons that these cars can be an investment is that the supply remains constant while the demand increases as the population increases. Now an added component is that there may be a certain natural attrition of these due to theft, fire, flood etc. which actually slowly decreses the supply. Now if cars can just be recreated by trading vins etc. and rebodies and be accepted as "the real thing" the value of the lot as a whole has just decreased. The more this practice would be accepted the less unique and "rare" these cars would be until they were worth no more than any other car.

I know this argument is somewhat simplistic and there is much more to the car thing than money, but you gotta admit it make you think

[x Baldwin Motion]

so if you see some tags for sale on PeeBait write down the numbers !!! before the pics are deleted!!!




IF YOU ARE DRIVING A CAR WITH THESE NUMBERS, ASK THE PREVIOUS OWNER WHY THE TAGS WERE OFF!!
(I'm no 69 expert and don't know what these tags are from.)

[Racefan]

This topic has been discussed here before. I recall taking part in discussions about rumors of people rebodying Yenkos in the mid-West in the 1980s. Wonder how may "original" Yenkos are out there which have exactly the same issue? I remember at the time, someone said that it was a fairly common practice to rebody these cars back "in the day".
As a matter of fact, I am pretty sure I made some enemies for my participation on that thread.

We won't hear anything about these though. As was discussed then, there are those who know of the cars with "questionable history" BY VIN. This info will not be shared for multiple reasons (money, fear of litigation, don't want to hurt a friend, etc, etc).

All one can do is make the right friends, ask the right questions, and always be prepared that you just made the wrong purchase of a car with "questionable" history.

My question has always been this: If 6 people in a group know about the rebody, and no one speaks up....are they all partially liable for not coming forward with the information? I would think that it would be exactly the same as seeing a crime take place and not coming forward with information, meaning you would have some culpability.

I'll go back to lurking now.....