1969 RS/Z Black 45k miles Original Paint

[Steve Shauger]

This is a very nice car. If anyone is interested in the detailed certification results I am sure the owner will share them.
The opening comment "One of 6 unrestored Camaros to be Vintage Certified" is not accurate, we have certified close to fifty cars at various levels over an eight year period.

To me black is the ultimate color and makes any car look stunning. I wish I still owned mine.

[firstgenaddict]

Not to be splitting hairs but...
It says one of 6 to be Certified at the GM Nationals in June 2007 never meant to imply one of 6 ever to be certified...
Also as if it even matters the car was originally pulled out in May 2006 not 2007 so it has been 18 months not 6 months.

James

[rsatz28]

WOW - I took a a look at the dates.....WOW where did the past 18 months go?????

[Steve Shauger]

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Not to be splitting hairs but...
It says one of 6 to be Certified at the GM Nationals in June 2007 never meant to imply one of 6 ever to be certified...
Also as if it even matters the car was originally pulled out in May 2006 not 2007 so it has been 18 months not 6 months.

James

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Thanks for clearing that up, not sure why I did not see your June of 2007 reference. I am sure William will miss the car.

[69LM1]

Wow. I am confused as to why this car w/o a numbers matching engine and tranny is considered a survivor, and the other Z was not considered a survivor that just had some paint work done?

Now, being an original black car with original paint is a definate price jump, but I would think missing two of the three major drivetrain components would preclude a "survivor" status in my opinion.......

Again, this is why I think (just my opinion) that we should focus MORE on original drivetrain than anything else. All of these 69 Camaros were exactly the same. A six banger or a COPO. Same body. Drivetrain / Suspension is what made then special.

You can only have the original drivetrain once, and IMO, "close" does not matter a whole lot at 100,000.00

Now, don't get me wrong, it is a sweet car, and black is rare to boot, but I question the survivor stats without the #'s engine and transmission.

Just my opinion,

Rich

[deuce-less]

a wise man once said " the rising tide lifts all ships", in this case what he wants for the car is his deal and if his final selling price is near to what he was asking, great for him, better solid prices for solid cars, than declining market values. jmo

i do agree that original cars, with original drive trains are the best of all worlds in most cases.

[Salvatore]

I just wish he would sell me the traction bars!!!

[firstgenaddict]

Sam just for you... traction bars 100k & I will throw the car in to sweeten the deal...

[Charley Lillard]

Rich....I seem to remember you also thinking a ZL1 was pretty much worthless without it's orig engine.

[69LM1]

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Rich....I seem to remember you also thinking a ZL1 was pretty much worthless without it's orig engine.

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Well, that might be a stretch. I'd sell it and buy something else. The point is that the special engine's are what made the cars special. So, I guess yea, what's a ZL1 without the engine? Same as a 6 banger.

I have a original COPO (MP) motor going into a X11 car, with a BE rear.

What's more real, the COPO VIN body with a clone motor, or the clone body with a real COPO drivetrain?

Which was my point in this post. Yes, this is a nice car, and you rarely see black 69's much less Z's. But, it still has a clone motor/tranny in it. Whereas that blue Z recently had the full numbers matching driveline and many original parts, albet unrestored, and the guy was given grief over the term survivor.

I'll take the COPO drivetrain car (which, I DID). But, hey, I'm weird like that. I like LM1's and 70 Z COPO's as well!

You guys keep those "clean" cars, keeps the ones I like cheap!

Friends,

Rich