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Old 12-14-2007, 07:36 PM
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Old 12-14-2007, 07:57 PM
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Geez Rich - might want to take walk next time b4 typing!
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Old 12-14-2007, 08:16 PM
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Ok gentlemen, as an outsider looking in I have a few thoughts on the matter.

First this all started with a word called Survivor.

Survivor in this case means it is still alive.

Survivor in the judging of camaros is a term to describe a mostly all original as it left the factory car. paint, parts, etc.

The term should be changed I think to something like unrestored with original factory born parts or something to the liking.

Some people drive em, some show em and alot in between, we shouldn't judge the person based on those facts.

If the guy sells the car for 40 then it was a good price if not it wasn't and leave it at that. Survival of the fittest always rules, Like LV's COPO - gone in 60 seconds.
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Old 12-14-2007, 08:23 PM
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Just gettin tired of the hypocrisy.

What did this thread have to do with LM1’s and 70 Z COPO’s?

Everyone has different aspects that they like and dislike about this hobby. Of course people are going to get excited about the things that they like, and especially those cars that they own. I can respect that some guys like cars that they can make “perfect” even though none came from the factory that “perfect”.

Yes, I might be “hyping” the 69 LM1, but nothing I say is false. It is me promoting what I like, and sharing with others who like the same cars.

Steve is doing the same thing with his “certification”. That’s cool. It might not be my thing, but I can respect the opinion he has in his own way for his aspect of this hobby. Why attack Phil and I for what we like?

Finally, back to this Z.

Again and again, we see over restored Z’s COPO’s etc. These cars in many cases were run and run hard/ put away wet. Most do not have original drivelines. This is what made a “Z” a “Z”.

I don’t know this guy, or this car. BUT by the pictures, it seems to be what “I” would rather call a survivor. It’s got the most important part, the heart and soul if you will, of the Z-28 package. IMO, more so than a car that has sat in a barn for 30 years with a blown up engine and now has a 010 block built and put into it.

That’s like giving Einstein a lobotomy and calling him a genius!
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Old 12-14-2007, 08:37 PM
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Steve,

All I did was say it was a nice car and a fair price. You then decided to reply taking the topic of my exceedingly simple comment in a different direction by focusing on the seller's choice of words in the ad and thus framing an opinion around that. That is OK, just remember I am entitled to reply to your comments.

As far as my opinion goes on prices for '69 Z28's - auction results tell the whole story of where prices are, were and when. It is what it is. This car has its original engine and is still fairly priced.

I am not going personal and off topic with respect to your other comments against myself (and Rich) as it is non-productive and contributes nothing factual to the thread being discussed.

I respect your opinion and you are entitled to it. Please provide the same respect to me and others who may choose to disagree.
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