69 Z-28 survivor

[427king]

Its better that a car be over described and underpriced, rather than under described and overpriced....Its a nice Z, priced under its true market value in any event

[adam]

Son of a gun fellas....sorry to ruffle some feathers. I was in line with Andy Tante's thoughts that the car had made it through 38 years of use without losing drivetain or being back-halved for a drag car.

I truely apologize for my mis-grammar, and please ignore the term survivor wherever used. I meant no harm, and certainly did not intend to mislead, or try to mis-describe the car in any way.

[427king]

If i was in the market for a Z,id be in Vermont right now.[well maybe tommorrow,theres a foot of snow on the ground] Good price for the car.

[Steve Shauger]

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Son of a gun fellas....sorry to ruffle some feathers. I was in line with Andy Tante's thoughts that the car had made it through 38 years of use without losing drivetain or being back-halved for a drag car.

I truely apologize for my mis-grammar, and please ignore the term survivor wherever used. I meant no harm, and certainly did not intend to mislead, or try to mis-describe the car in any way.

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Adam your car is a fine car. No need to apologize, no feather ruffle here. The survivor discussion began when someone stated "how can a car that has been repainted be considered a survivor" I actually stated how a car could be based on the Bloomington Certification guidelines.

Then Andy made up his own definition which I (jokingly)referred to as a "survived camaro". Please don't take the discussion we have had here the wrong way. I prefer unrestored cars like yours, nothing hidden...

[agtw31]

let's be realistic.
Bloomington guidelines refer to cars that have been sitting in a garage for 40 years,probably in a museum.
sure they have all the original parts,but that's because they havent moved in 40 years.

i have seen examples that dont fit that criteria be considerred a "survivor" that arent museum pieces,that amaze me,though.

but this Z28 actually defines survivor by being "driven".
sure,the original alternator and water pump puked over the years,and it got another paint job,but that is because it's been "driven".

i fail to see the "big deal" factor in a car that sits in a garage for 40 years,only to be brought out and proclaimed "survivor' because it still has the original air in the tires,or the spare tire still smells like rubber.

impress me,and fire that museum piece up,and run it down the 1/4,without that "original" fan belts,water pump,and alternator going south.

to be a survivor,you should survive something,other than time

this is only my opinion,nothing more.

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">let's be realistic.
Bloomington guidelines refer to cars that have been sitting in a garage for 40 years,probably in a museum.
sure they have all the original parts,but that's because they havent moved in 40 years.

i have seen examples that dont fit that criteria be considerred a &quot;survivor&quot; that arent museum pieces,that amaze me,though.

but this Z28 actually defines survivor by being &quot;driven&quot;.
sure,the original alternator and water pump puked over the years,and it got another paint job,but that is because it's been &quot;driven&quot;.

i fail to see the &quot;big deal&quot; factor in a car that sits in a garage for 40 years,only to be brought out and proclaimed &quot;survivor' because it still has the original air in the tires,or the spare tire still smells like rubber.

impress me,and fire that museum piece up,and run it down the 1/4,without that &quot;original&quot; fan belts,water pump,and alternator going south.

to be a survivor,you should survive something,other than time

this is only my opinion,nothing more. </div></div>

I don't want to get into a pissing match here but your first statement could not be further from the truth (you need to get informed before you make inaccurate statements). The operation phase of the certification is essential and includes a monitored 30 mile drive and includes all operational and functional areas.

Without some guidelines, anyone could call or classify a car what ever they wanted. Without certifications and standards such as a #1, 2, 3 or 4, buyers and sellers would be talking apples and oranges. Standards are important and protect us all from wasting a lot of time on wild goose chases and misrepresentation. Camaro standards and terminology mirror the Corvette world to a high degree (why reinvent the wheel)

The thinking (IMHO) behind a car that is categorized as a survivor or benchmark is that it sets the standards by which cars should be built/restored to (represent how they left the factory). Yes these cars may be pampered to some degree, but they do represent historical data that would be lost if modified or restored; which may not be the utmost importance to you, but to the purist and professional restorer these cars are the holy grail. LV's COPO that sold yesterday is a great example.

Just for your information many survivor cars have been thrashed and have well over 100K miles, but they are well preserved and for the most part unrestored. I will send you the guidelines that our program Vintage Camaro subscribe to, and I recommend visiting the Bloomington, or the NCRS site as you may come away enlightened.

BTW I drive the snot out of my survivor cars. They are like driving in a time capsule back in the 60's. Yes they are great cars warts and all.

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[agtw31]

every make of every car has a benchmark they can go by,just go to any car museum.



as far as Bloomington,i was speaking in generalities,and did say there were examples that did amaze me like the 100k example you mentioned.

i feel Bloomington doesnt exist for the majority,and i cant really take it seriously.

still just my opinion.

[Steve Shauger]

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every make of every car has a benchmark they can go by,just go to any car museum.



as far as Bloomington,i was speaking in generalities,and did say there were examples that did amaze me like the 100k example you mentioned.

i feel Bloomington doesnt exist for the majority,and i cant really take it seriously.

still just my opinion.

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