Engine Oil and Muscle Cars

[rubbinisracing]

Quote from JohnZ

The "diesel oils" have also been affected recently. The API-spec "CI-4" diesel oil (which has a very high level of ZDDP) has been around for a long time (Shell Rotella, Mobil Delvac, etc.). However, the new EPA Tier II Bin 5 diesel emission requirements that go into effect next year require the use of catalytic converters and particulate traps, which are "poisoned" by the high level of ZDDP in the CI-4 diesel oil, so there's a NEW diesel oil, API spec "CJ-4", with a much-reduced level of ZDDP, intended for use with the new low-sulfur diesel fuels in the 2008 Tier II-regulated diesel engines.

CI-4 diesel oil offers better protection for sliding elements than the new ZDDP-reduced CJ-4 diesel oil; diesel oil used to be diesel oil, but now there are two DIFFERENT diesel oils.



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'69 Z/28
Fathom Green
CRG

Link to the thread his quote came from:

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat...true#Post254979

[retengw31]

This is precisely the same info I have gleaned as not only do I run Rotella T in all my three Olds W cars, I also have an old Ford PSD with 200k miles and hoping for 500k. It's had a steady diet of Rotella T CI-4 forever. Rule of thumb is if you see anything on there about CJ-4, it's the new lower zinc formulation.

The only way to get that now is in the Synthetic Rotella T which still seems to be in the CI-4 category everywhere around here. That stuff is expensive when you consider 14 quarts every 3000 miles. The small extra cost per year in the muscle cars is no biggee.

Oh yeah, the Citgo diesel oil here at Murrays is still CI-4. I'll park everything before I use anything Citgo. And yup, that's a political statement.

I think a good formulated oil at $4.00 a quart would be great. That's bout what I was paying for the old Rotella T CI-4 and CI-4 Plus.

[TDW]

I agree wholeheartedly with your political statement on Citgo.

[frank23]

Thanks for all the response. All of it is appreciated. Understandably, consumer education is critical in this endeavor. All the additives on the market currently seem to meet our needs at this time, but my approach is completely different. In these changing times just about every lubricant, as well as gasoline, requires some sort of additive to maintain the similar levels of performance and durability that we expect from our cars. It appears that they are no longer optional, all conceived, in my opinion, to compensate for already inadequate products we all purchase. Some European manufacturers have taken the vintage oil situation to the next level by producing a more than adequate performance and protection oil for both their performance and antique automobiles. It would be simple to buy and market these products in the U.S., but unfortunately, due to the weak dollar, and higher costs of petroleum, doing so would result in a quart price of about $12.00 or more. Through continual discussions with ILC Spectro, a new additive package possibly called "Zincare" (trademark pending), blended with the best available base stock will produce a product that both protects and performs under the most severe of conditions. We all use our vintage cars differently, some for daily use, some for racing, and some strictly for show duty, some stay in long-time storage. Our new product is engineered to address all of these situations with no compromise. Hopefully, the perfect blend can be found soon, so we can continue with testing prior to sale. Thanks for the continued support. Regards -- Frank

[Verne_Frantz]

"Our new product is engineered to address all of these situations with no compromise."

So this thread was a marketing test??

[frank23]

Vern - I started this discussion to see if a need existed. The product is still in the planning stages. I chose this website because it seems to be fair and unbiased. So if you call this a marketing test, sobeit. This product is being developed because I am sick and tired of having to add supplements to my own high performance and antique vehicles. Unfortunately, I can't just have a case or two made for myself. I thought, and still think, that this is a marketable product for all vintage automobile owners. And should I make a few dollars doing it? If it fills a need in our hobby, what's wrong with that? Someone has to get it done. Regards -- Frank

[Steve Shauger]

[ QUOTE ]
"Our new product is engineered to address all of these situations with no compromise."

So this thread was a marketing test??

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Geez Verne, Frank is up front about his intent, outlines the weaknesses of our current over the counter oils, and seeks our feedback as to our interest and viability of this proposed product. You can call it anything you want, but he is at least attempting to remedy the situation with a new product and is asking for our input. You have a problem with that???

[Verne_Frantz]

Not a problem I just didn't realize it until the very end. It caught me by surprise because I thought it was a general query about bringing back "old" oil for our old cars.
I would gladly be part of the market for new oil with the best additive package available.

Verne