Possible '69 Motion Phase III GT/L-36 Test Mule

[olredalert]

------Ed,,,I have the utmost respect for your knowledge of these rare cars, but Id like to ask a well intentioned question. If a well healed customer walked into Joels office and wanted a Phase III GT but said he didnt care for the back window and preferred a Phase III GT with a stock rear window would Joel have ushered him out the door???........Bill S

[55chevy]

Bill.. the rear window IS what made the car the Phase III GT.. Any other Motion Vette without that window is just a Motion Vette with custom body work. I don't know how many guys think the Ferrari style headlights make it a GT.. It does not. The rear window does. Joel said he made 10 Phase III GT Vettes. All of them except the Prototype had the Full GT treatment, the centerpiece being that GT rear window. Larry Clain had a lengthy in-depth converstation with Joel about the GTs at the SCR6 I believe. Next to Joel, Larry probably knew more about the GTs than anyone else. He owned 2 of the 10. He was in communication with several other GT owners and past owners and had been constantly researching them for years.. Even so far as speaking at length with Joel about them back in 1974 when he first bought the Prototype GT and Joel was still building these cars. And for a few years before Larry died, I was helping research them as well.. And during the few years I knew Larry he shared all the knowlege he had about them with me. I certianly don't claim to be a know-it-all.. but on the subject of the Baldwin/Motion Phase III GT Corvettes.. I know a lot more than most.. So to answer your question, No Joel wouldn't have ushered a buyer away.. But the buyer would not have gotten a GT.. just a Motion Vette with some of the body goodies. (Phase III? ..SS427?.. Take your pick).. Don't forget other companies back then offered these same fiberglass parts that Joel put on the GTs. I've seen several of those Ferrari style front ends on Vettes that weren't even Motion cars. Take Jamie Jarvis's beautiful '68 Vette for instance. It' got the GT front end and hood on it and other Motion mods. But it has the stock rear window.. It's not a Phase III GT and it was an owner built car using genuine Motion parts.

When a car shows up in this kind of shape a lot of homework needs to be done. Ask Jamie about that. He found out what his car actually was, and restored it as such. And he doesn't try and portray it as something else. I think that's what needs to be done with this car. Figure out what it actually IS.. before you start calling it something it isn't..

[ronebee]

per pictures, car has a 73 soft bumper nose like used on the Manta Rays, interesting car, comments in the photo section make it interesting, with no vin# on the body, how the hell would you get this thing on the road? anybody know what region 00 is and what dealer in #502? I agree this is not on of the phase III cars (whatever my opinion is worth)

[x Baldwin Motion]

I agree it's not a GT (rear window) but I would not bet on what it is. It wasn't too long ago that a certain RARE1 was questioned as a hodge podge of owner installed fiberglass (remember Mako /Maco). And the orange one in New Jersey recently, didn't that also change hands a few times before someone had it documented. I just think encouraging someone to go to all the trouble to research a car before it is dismissed as phoney is important for the history and longevity of our hobby. JMHO

thanks for letting me shoot my breeze.

and besides, anybody with the nads and cabbage to put that back together should be applauded

[viscos]

The thing that made a Motion Phase III GT a Phase III GT was not, and I say again, not just the fastback rear window. Doesn't anyone watch the Speed channel? At supercar reunion 8 which was featured on "My Classic Car" on Speed, a feature was done on that show about Jamie Jarvis' '68 Phase III GT 'Vette. Mr. Jarvis says, "with Motion you could order as much or as little of the Motion conversion or pieces as you wanted, the original owner, personal opinion didn't care for the fastback glass so he left that off, uh, when he built the car". He further states, "well, this car actually he drove it, uh, he bought the car new in '68, drove it 'til '73, in it's stock form". Dennis then says, "so in '73 it became a motion", Mr. Jarvis replied, "YES SIR." Has anyone seen a Motion
Perf. ad. in a old issue of Hi-performance Cars Mag., you could get a Mako Shark rear clip and GT front clip if you wanted, or vice versa.

[viscos]

Thanx X, that was very well put.

[x Baldwin Motion]

"Well you are completely wrong.. but whatever.. I'm done arguing this subject."
Ed is one of the most knowledgable persons on these cars so I'll let him take a breather and give out some basic info.


Victor, no disrespect to Jamie Jarvis' car, it is quite fantastic, but it is "a mail-order" car. I don't believe it has ever been to the Motion Performance shop in Baldwin, NY.
It is an excellent example of what you could build yourself using Motion parts. It is NOT one of the 10 (?) GT's built by Joel Rosen. See an excellent article covering this car and it's history in the NOV07 Corvette Fever magazine.

[x Baldwin Motion]

let me take this opportunity to thank all those guys that photograph or scan and upload pictures all the time. It is tedious work !!

here are four pages from that mag on Jamie's car.

[55chevy]

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The thing that made a Motion Phase III GT a Phase III GT was not, and I say again, not just the fastback rear window.

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Well you are completely wrong.. but whatever.. I'm done arguing this subject.