Repro Pontiac round port/Oldsmobile W30 cyl heads

[Johnny Horsepower]

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And heap big prices make Pontiac Chief scratch head.

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my original drive train older restoration FOUR SPEED 69 TA is now available at half price!and for the 250k i will throw in a mint 02 bmw M3 convertible.......any takers

John

[Canuck]

At least the Pontiac guys have the "Clone Ranger" behind them in PHS. All the Olds people have is what has been passed down from one person to another.

[HO455]

Very well said Canuck. I am just completely fed up with seeing CLONES. Every Cutlass has been turned into a W-30 or at least striped like one, every LeMans a GTO, every 69 Firebird is either completely or partially been turned into a 69 Trans Am. It would be a miracle to see someone leave a car the way appeared when it left the factory. I would be greatly impressed to see a regular LeMans, 69 Firebird, 442 or even a Cutlass S that appeared the way it was born. Now that would be impressive. But big thanks must again go out to that lowlife Parts Place Joe because now every 69 cutlass I see will soon look like a 69 Hurst Olds - thanks again. But from what I understand all he owns is clones anyway so why not keep the population growing and get rich while doing it.

[Canuck]

Did a resto in 2005 on a 71 442 convert,that was owned by same owner since 1973. I could have convinced him to go wirh ram air and change a lot of stuff,but given his longevity with the car and the known history,we put it back to the way he has always known it. His number 1 request when we started the project was that I locate an original 8 track,to replace the one stolen in Oct 1973. He didn't even want to change to a sport wheel,even though he liked the feel.
So there is at least one 442 out there that has not been altered. Most unaltered cars usually have some ownership history. The rest of the crowd want a car they "would" have ordered.

[retengw31]

Right on the money, Paul. I feel the emergence of the good repro parts and clones will only make the real ones more valuable, but will be harder to investigate and will take flawless, COMPLETE owner documentation. No holes in its history covered up or gaps. Not always easy to spot, though.

Finding repro parts on a car doesn't necessarily negate its authenticity, but should raise a lot of flags if the car is being represented as something else. Best to leave it to the real experts on that model if you're shelling out stupid money.

[JOZW30]

This thread is a bummer.

HO455, you really are way out there trying to make a point that everyone respects even if they don't happen to agree with it.

But I'm sorry, we have several Olds and BOP shows a year here in the Northeast Ohio area and we have bunches of realy nice 442's and plain old Cutlass Supremes of all colors, shapes, and restoration levels.

Oh well, I just still don't agree that it's that easy to fool someone that knows about these cars. In my opinion, it's those fringe cars that probably are real but don't have the paperwork to prove it that suffer.

That's just the way it is. But it's no where near as bad as you make it sound.

Just my opinion though.

[RM Schimel]

I agree with JOZW30-quit the whining about the fakes. I love clones. It just makes the real deal that much more valuable and collectible. The sky is the limit for authentic cars in the future. Keep the clones coming Parts Joe!

[tryconcom]

I agree with you RM!

[ssl78]

The people reproducing the parts are not the problem, the problem is the people buying the parts and trying to sell them as original cars not clones. Its finally come down to its not just the paperwork or the parts you now need history without it no one knows whats real or not. How many people are buying real original pieces to put on cars and resell them as real knowing they make repops makes people look a little closer at the cars then before repops were available.
I have worked on some of Joe's cars and yes he has some cars he put together but if I owned the parts place I would do the same. I really have never heard of him selling a clone as a real car. He also has many real cars I would love to have. So lets quite winning about the repop stuff since there is always a way to tell it apart from the real thing.
I also never hear people whinning about repop tires even though if you put 15 in on a Camaro it could be mistaked for a Z or Yenko. Bottom line no matter what its buyer beware. How about when GM was selling repop sheetmetal as original Gm, now thats really misrepresenting the item at least repop parts are being sold as repop parts.

[HO455]

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Oh well, I just still don't agree that it's that easy to fool someone that knows about these cars.


Hey JOZW30 ,

Is it live or Memorex? Tell me if you believe this one to be authentic? You seem to think that a well-done clone can fool none of the Olds guys. Tell me with your W-30 expertise whether this one is real or fake? I have my own opinion after seeing it & hearing it run at the fall 2006 Mecum auction. It also had a very unique broadcast sheet that had NO mention of W-30. The owner has a reason for this though that sounds legit. Right!!! I guess this Muscle Car Review magazine is supposed to prove some level of authenticity also as if they were not converting/cloning cars way back in the late eighties. Good luck! But it had ALL THE RIGHT PARTS. Thanks Parts Place! The owner seems to be willing to do or say anything to establish some level of credibility for this car. But you should still be able to weed out the fakes for us novices. Maybe you better E-mail a few of the bidders and tip them off as to your take. Just my opinion though.

W-30 Convertible
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