More Logic.......

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

As much as I hate to admit it, this staunch Republican has to agree with that CCR lovin Demmy!

[ANDY M]

Gentlemen, please try to be a little bit objective here.
Suppose you have worked hard all of your life, but then you develope a medical condition that forces you to retire.
After you lose your insurance, can't get work anymore because of age discrimination, and you loose your house to payoff your bills, what are you going to do? There are many homeless people that are not alcoholics or drug users, but just got crushed by bad luck. Ohio has one of the highest foreclosure rates in the country, because folks who were trusting enough not to read the fine print got screwed when they took out those adjustable rate mortgages that keep going up, and they can't make the payments anymore. Look forward to seeing a lot more of that as the housing market implodes from too much greed.
If you're a Republican, check the history books for what Richard Nixon signed into law. Makes him look like a liberal by the neocon standards of today. BTW, he was in favor of social welfare reforms, not welfare elimination.
Social Security, Welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, section 8 are all social welfare laws voted on for the benifit of the people that need them. Sure there is abuse and fraud, but congress has passed plenty of "Welfare for the Rich" legislation too.
I know millionaires that insist on getting the senior discount they could live without. Saves them a dollar.
As Ken S. points out, do something if you want changes. Then think about the people we give charity to, and why they need it. You try to live on Soc. Sec. disability, and see how far that $1400 a month goes. Or just vote to do away with soc. sec, and become homeless because there is no such thing as section 8 housing. Can't afford to put your folks in a nursing home, but don't want the burdon of taking care of them? Without Medicare or Medicaid, your choice might not be the one you like.
JMHO. Soryy for venting, it's a touchy subject.

[YenkoYS-199Stinger]

Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job. I work, they pay me.
I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as they see fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test and I have no problem with that.
What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test.
Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them?

Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sit on their butts all day doing drugs, while I pay for it, as many do.

Could you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?

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Chris
1966 Yenko Stinger YS-070
1967 Yenko Stinger YS-199
Southeast of Disorder

[kwhizz]

Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sit on their butts all day doing drugs, while I pay for it, as many do.

Could you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?

Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!! Those of us that grew up with "The European Work Ethic" Mentality have No Problem Doing what's right to help out.......The Majority that grew up with the "Entitlement" Mentality (Read Welfare) don't even understand how Society Evolved into the "If you don't work, You don't eat" mentality of the early 1900's......It was simple then.........Work......Eat.......Work.......Eat... ...Not too hard to balance out and figure it out.......And....If you worked Harder and Longer and Smarter......you might be able to afford a "Luxury" item......I'm Sorry, But I was brought up differently than Most "Liberal" thinking people"
and I "Think" ............."I Get It"......

Ken

[GRB]

Richard 'Moe' Nixon also signed into law the EPA, OSHA and affirmative action laws. I'm not sure who is more damnable for the current PC crisis we find ourselves in, Nixon or LBJ.

I'm not a Rep., but a conservative who believes we should either live according to our US constitution or throw it out and be done with it. I don't think the govt. has the right or legal responsibility to take from one person and give to another regardless of the emotional argument involved. Bush did not have the right to give 9/11 victims (?) hundreds of millions of dollars of stolen money any more than he had the right to give MN an unconstitutional, yet emotionally satisfying $30 million.

The shredding of our constitution has led to politicians, all of them, regarding our stolen money as theirs. Theirs to buy votes, garner goodwill, keep power and do with as they please. They seem to resent letting us keep any of our earnings. Earmarks, pork, whatever you call it is out of control. A man who doesn't respect what you have EARNED does not respect you in any way. Our elected tyrants have no respect whatsoever for their subjects. And I, for one, am sick of all of them.

[ANDY M]

Ray, how's this for a modest proposal:
Replace illegal workers with non-violent low- or medium security convict labor. We spend a redicules sum of money to keep people incarcerated for things like white collar crime, drug use, prostitution, etc.
Let them earn their keep doing the jobs that only the illegals will do, so they can "Pay" their debt to society.
Think about that.

[kwhizz]

Here's another example........We have been going to Jamaica for many years......In the Early years , the Island was a "Filthy" paradise........there was Garbage all over the place.......Now......here was a Third World Country with no "Entitlements" (Welfare).......Actually they have a very good work Ethic and Values there.....So....What the Government did was to set up a system to where people were assigned a certain area to maintain and keep clean.....They were now given money to live on , "But"....they had to perform a "Service"........Now,After this system has been in place for 10 years, you no longer see any Garbage laying around........the whole mindset has changed to when there is minimal litter....The Cities and surrounding areas are very clean..............But ......More Importantly....If someone litters and the cleaning person see's it, they get right in the Litterer's face and give them "Hell" for messing up "Their" area........It's like a competition to see who can do the best job ..........See.....It's pretty simple........Logic and Common Sense........There's plenty for the "Welfare" people to do in our Country for them to "Earn" their money that we give them.......The "Problem" is the over the years......The "Privelge" of receiving a subsidy has now become a "Right"........We need to go Back to Basic's.........If they can do it very well in a third world counrty..........We "Might" even be able to do it here........$.02.....

Ken

[GRB]

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Ray, how's this for a modest proposal:
Replace illegal workers with non-violent low- or medium security convict labor. We spend a ridiculous sum of money to keep people incarcerated for things like white collar crime, drug use, prostitution, etc.
Let them earn their keep doing the jobs that only the illegals will do, so they can "Pay" their debt to society.
Think about that.

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I'm all for that as long as they go back to their outdoor, non-air conditioned tent city at night. Why should we make criminals comfortable? Isn't it bad enough that their incarceration already cost us a fortune? We didn't break the law, they did. Make 'em pay and make the experience unforgetable....in a real bad way.

While we're at it let's make our God-like tyrants live with the same Social Security program we have to live and die with.

Let's face it we are a pus**fied nation compared to our forefathers, and even our own fathers. I am seriously concerned about what will happen when the next attack comes. We know there are suitcase nukes in the country and more on the way. When our future tyrants can focus on an attack rather than a defense what is to stop them from detonating a dozen or so well placed nukes? We know an attack is coming, what we don't know is what condition will our pus**fied nation find itself in when the 'dust' settles?

[nuch_ss396]

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Ray, how's this for a modest proposal:
Replace illegal workers with non-violent low- or medium security convict labor. We spend a redicules sum of money to keep people incarcerated for things like white collar crime, drug use, prostitution, etc.
Let them earn their keep doing the jobs that only the illegals will do, so they can "Pay" their debt to society.
Think about that.

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Andy, good suggestion. Now about that job for Paris Hilton..........

Nuch