I know you guys will tell me like it is ..

[69LM1]

OK, how about a great condition car that has the cowl rusted. You need to remove the VIN to replace the cowl, does that make it a rebody.

With the car in quesion here, you could easily add all of the panels/parts without removing the VIN/Tag.

[69LM1]

Again, my point some years ago, and now remains the same.

What is the difference between a ZL1 and a 6 banger, body wise? None. The ZL1 got a different driveline from the rear to the engine and suspension. But the body, frame rails, subframe all were the same as a ZL1.

So, my personal opinion (and I know I'll get blasted for this) is that the emphesis should be on the driveline. That's what made a camaro special. No more clone worries, no more rebody worries, no more ttag worries, just real engine/tranny stamps and rear date codes and stamps. Still some room for fraud, but much reduced.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I would beg to differ that the bodies of a 6hitter and the ZL1 were the same, as those small differences are how we can tell when a ZL1 has been rebodied with a 6hitter!

Some folks lust after original drivetrain, others after original sheetmetal, most after both. Either way, a rebody is exactly as Camarojoe described, there really is no gray area.

[69LM1]

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I would beg to differ that the bodies of a 6hitter and the ZL1 were the same, as those small differences are how we can tell when a ZL1 has been rebodied with a 6hitter!


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Whoa, no disrespect, as I can be wrong, and frequently am, but are you saying that a 6 Cyl car and a ZL1 have differences in the actual body of the car? Not bolt on items (suspension etc) BUT, Frame Rails, Body Subframe (again not suspension, but the actual frame)etc?

That would throw everything that I thought I knew about how Fischer and option codes were assigned out the window if true.

I have never seen any structural (as defined above) diffences between any of the 6cyl, X11, LM1, X66, X33 or X44 cars that I have owned. Now, I have never owned a ZL1 or COPO, so I might be missing something?

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Yes, there are differences in the bodies, some are obvious like the dual exhaust plates, etc...

[69LM1]

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Yes, there are differences in the bodies, some are obvious like the dual exhaust plates, etc...

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I thought those were welded on during assembly, and are they considered part of the "body" for puposes of this conversation?

I guess my point was the body of a 6banger and a ZL1 is the same (as far as I know) structurally, unlike say a Boss429 Mustang vs a 6 banger stang.

The "add ons" such as BE rear (which I understand was a "hardend" 12 bolt vs standard gears) and sway bars/Suspenson (springs) and finally drivetrain were what made a ZL1 a ZL1.

I guess, what I am saying, unless I am wrong, is that all camaros started out equal at Fischer (other than holes cut for tranny etc, but structurally), and it was on the assembly line where the "Special" items were added, thus, those are the items by which we ought to value as what makes a Camaro, a Camaro ZL1 (or SS or Z28 etc).

All of these "born as" type statements are unusual. A camaro is a camaro. It was the HiPo "stuff" that made them different.

Again, I am FAR from a expert like you (Marlin), Kurt and some of the other guys here, just making a point.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

To me, a special welded on plate, or a special piercing, hole, etc... makes the body different. We're probably splitting hairs here, as my head is starting to spin with this discussion. We go through this about once or twice a year!

[Johnny Horsepower]

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OK, how about a great condition car that has the cowl rusted. You need to remove the VIN to replace the cowl, does that make it a rebody.

With the car in quesion here, you could easily add all of the panels/parts without removing the VIN/Tag.

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example would be repair


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I'll say it again..... we know the difference
coming up with hypotheticals is a waste of time.

John