CARLISLE GM NATS NEEDS WORK!!!!

[CT Mark]

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I beg to differ, it was moved because it was fathers day weekend, not for any other reason. The Aces group certainly would be welcome, but they like their independent event.

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I think Bill's point is that if the Carlisle people gave a crap about Chevelles, they wouldn't have moved the date to compete with the Maryland show...which was already well established when the change was made.

[Steve Shauger]

The GM Nationals has also been in July and August and again with little participation from Chevelle owners. I don't think its fair to think Carlisle doesn't care about that group. If the Chevelle community is interested, certainly they (the clubs collectively) should contact Carlisle productions and work together to change the date, if that is the only issue. I have heard from several hobbyist who desperately want to participate in a high level judged event. Maybe this discussion should be on the team Chevelle board...

[MYSTERYCHEVELLE]

[quoteMaybe this discussion should be on the team Chevelle board...

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No, trust me, been there done that

It's always a discussion of the WE want to have FUN group against the WE want our Cars Point Judged group and lots of arguing.. I for one never understand it.. it's simple.. You have a Car Show.. You offer Point Judging to those who want it.. they need to Reserve a spot to have their car point judged by a Chevelle authority panel, and guess what, when they get, their car gets point judged.. those who don't want that type of judging.. fine.. hang out, and participant vote and have that kind of fun!! How is it that my car getting Point Judged at the same show as a Particpant voting show interfers with the FUN group is beyond me!!

As for the amount of Chevelles showing up at the GM Nats thus far.. I can't speak for everyone.. but for me and a few others I know with fully restored Chevelles.. it has only to do with the Judging format at the GM Nats for Chevelles.. I would gladly bring my 66 there again, if I thought it would get judged and not just cast a vote by owners... I have belonged to the MD Club and it is a Great Show!!! but hey.. .Been there Done that... no offense to my fellow MD Chevelle Club Members.... I like variety..

It really does come down to getting enough Chevelle enthusiasts that TRULY want their car Point judged at the GM Nats and getting enough Chevelle Experts to do the judging .. and then it's the Build it and they will come theory.. You coud dmove the GM Nats to OCTOBER and if the judging and classing remained the same, I would stay home. But alas, not the forum for this discussion.. sorry to bring it up.

Maybe we Chevelle guys are just jealous of the Camaro guys and the Fact that they do have a Formal National Judging venue like we used to have with NCOA

[Steve Shauger]

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[quoteMaybe this discussion should be on the team Chevelle board...

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No, trust me, been there done that

It's always a discussion of the WE want to have FUN group against the WE want our Cars Point Judged group and lots of arguing.. I for one never understand it.. it's simple.. You have a Car Show.. You offer Point Judging to those who want it.. they need to Reserve a spot to have their car point judged by a Chevelle authority panel, and guess what, when they get, their car gets point judged.. those who don't want that type of judging.. fine.. hang out, and participant vote and have that kind of fun!! How is it that my car getting Point Judged at the same show as a Particpant voting show interfers with the FUN group is beyond me!!

As for the amount of Chevelles showing up at the GM Nats thus far.. I can't speak for everyone.. but for me and a few others I know with fully restored Chevelles.. it has only to do with the Judging format at the GM Nats for Chevelles.. I would gladly bring my 66 there again, if I thought it would get judged and not just cast a vote by owners... I have belonged to the MD Club and it is a Great Show!!! but hey.. .Been there Done that... no offense to my fellow MD Chevelle Club Members.... I like variety..

It really does come down to getting enough Chevelle enthusiasts that TRULY want their car Point judged at the GM Nats and getting enough Chevelle Experts to do the judging .. and then it's the Build it and they will come theory.. You coud dmove the GM Nats to OCTOBER and if the judging and classing remained the same, I would stay home. But alas, not the forum for this discussion.. sorry to bring it up.

Maybe we Chevelle guys are just jealous of the Camaro guys and the Fact that they do have a Formal National Judging venue like we used to have with NCOA

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I understand many prefer not to have their car judged, and many don't at the Camaro Nationals, however for restorations to improve there needs to be some objective forum to judge and evaluate cars. Its like taking a class without being tested, are you going to study and improve your knowledge if you know you won't be tested. Sounds like we are on the same page. There are many knowledgeable Chevelle enthusiast such as yourself who want this and who should put their heads together and get something going. If I can help in any way let me know.

[Mr70]

Thanks for your explanation,input & offer to help Steve.

[olredalert]

------Steve,,,,As Rick said; Thanks for the return! I think I misinterpreted what you were getting at. I may have been a little thin skinned and if it seemed that way I apologize. It sometimes seems that us "Corvette guys" get blamed for alot and often get lumped together in one big group when in reality we are a bunch of smaller factions that sometimes disagree. From the outside, Camaro guys seem to be more unified for the most part, but maybe thats just my perception.
------I also would like to see some of the other GM marks participate more At the GM Nationals as I believe it couldnt do anything but help. Prior to the very 1st GM Nationals I was talking to Chip Miller and I know that he had high hopes for the GM Nationals to include all the GM brands equally. Bill Miller also told me the same thing. I know thats what Carlisle Productions wants but it appears that the Camaro guys are the only group to really put things together so far. Lets keep a good thought for the future.........Bill S

[Steve Shauger]

Its all good Bill. I have received some good feedback from many people. Lets hope that we can all make the GM Nationals a reality.