CARLISLE GM NATS NEEDS WORK!!!!

[Bill Rose]

The GM Carlisle event used to be a different weekend, then they moved it to the same weekend as the Maryland (A.C.E.S.) Chevelle show which is a short distance from Carisle. There were over 200 Chevelles at the ACES show this weekend including mine. With 52 weekends to choose from, it wouldn't take a scientist to figure out, that the Carlisle event shouldn't have been moved to same weekend as one of the biggest/best Chevelle shows in the country.

[Steve Shauger]

I beg to differ, it was moved because it was fathers day weekend, not for any other reason. The Aces group certainly would be welcome, but they like their independent event.

[CT Mark]

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I beg to differ, it was moved because it was fathers day weekend, not for any other reason. The Aces group certainly would be welcome, but they like their independent event.

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I think Bill's point is that if the Carlisle people gave a crap about Chevelles, they wouldn't have moved the date to compete with the Maryland show...which was already well established when the change was made.

[Steve Shauger]

The GM Nationals has also been in July and August and again with little participation from Chevelle owners. I don't think its fair to think Carlisle doesn't care about that group. If the Chevelle community is interested, certainly they (the clubs collectively) should contact Carlisle productions and work together to change the date, if that is the only issue. I have heard from several hobbyist who desperately want to participate in a high level judged event. Maybe this discussion should be on the team Chevelle board...

[MYSTERYCHEVELLE]

[quoteMaybe this discussion should be on the team Chevelle board...

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No, trust me, been there done that

It's always a discussion of the WE want to have FUN group against the WE want our Cars Point Judged group and lots of arguing.. I for one never understand it.. it's simple.. You have a Car Show.. You offer Point Judging to those who want it.. they need to Reserve a spot to have their car point judged by a Chevelle authority panel, and guess what, when they get, their car gets point judged.. those who don't want that type of judging.. fine.. hang out, and participant vote and have that kind of fun!! How is it that my car getting Point Judged at the same show as a Particpant voting show interfers with the FUN group is beyond me!!

As for the amount of Chevelles showing up at the GM Nats thus far.. I can't speak for everyone.. but for me and a few others I know with fully restored Chevelles.. it has only to do with the Judging format at the GM Nats for Chevelles.. I would gladly bring my 66 there again, if I thought it would get judged and not just cast a vote by owners... I have belonged to the MD Club and it is a Great Show!!! but hey.. .Been there Done that... no offense to my fellow MD Chevelle Club Members.... I like variety..

It really does come down to getting enough Chevelle enthusiasts that TRULY want their car Point judged at the GM Nats and getting enough Chevelle Experts to do the judging .. and then it's the Build it and they will come theory.. You coud dmove the GM Nats to OCTOBER and if the judging and classing remained the same, I would stay home. But alas, not the forum for this discussion.. sorry to bring it up.

Maybe we Chevelle guys are just jealous of the Camaro guys and the Fact that they do have a Formal National Judging venue like we used to have with NCOA

[Steve Shauger]

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[quoteMaybe this discussion should be on the team Chevelle board...

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No, trust me, been there done that

It's always a discussion of the WE want to have FUN group against the WE want our Cars Point Judged group and lots of arguing.. I for one never understand it.. it's simple.. You have a Car Show.. You offer Point Judging to those who want it.. they need to Reserve a spot to have their car point judged by a Chevelle authority panel, and guess what, when they get, their car gets point judged.. those who don't want that type of judging.. fine.. hang out, and participant vote and have that kind of fun!! How is it that my car getting Point Judged at the same show as a Particpant voting show interfers with the FUN group is beyond me!!

As for the amount of Chevelles showing up at the GM Nats thus far.. I can't speak for everyone.. but for me and a few others I know with fully restored Chevelles.. it has only to do with the Judging format at the GM Nats for Chevelles.. I would gladly bring my 66 there again, if I thought it would get judged and not just cast a vote by owners... I have belonged to the MD Club and it is a Great Show!!! but hey.. .Been there Done that... no offense to my fellow MD Chevelle Club Members.... I like variety..

It really does come down to getting enough Chevelle enthusiasts that TRULY want their car Point judged at the GM Nats and getting enough Chevelle Experts to do the judging .. and then it's the Build it and they will come theory.. You coud dmove the GM Nats to OCTOBER and if the judging and classing remained the same, I would stay home. But alas, not the forum for this discussion.. sorry to bring it up.

Maybe we Chevelle guys are just jealous of the Camaro guys and the Fact that they do have a Formal National Judging venue like we used to have with NCOA

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I understand many prefer not to have their car judged, and many don't at the Camaro Nationals, however for restorations to improve there needs to be some objective forum to judge and evaluate cars. Its like taking a class without being tested, are you going to study and improve your knowledge if you know you won't be tested. Sounds like we are on the same page. There are many knowledgeable Chevelle enthusiast such as yourself who want this and who should put their heads together and get something going. If I can help in any way let me know.

[Mr70]

Thanks for your explanation,input & offer to help Steve.

[Bill Rose]

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I beg to differ, it was moved because it was fathers day weekend, not for any other reason. The Aces group certainly would be welcome, but they like their independent event.

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Not sure what your talking about. I didn't say they moved the show date for any specific reason. All I said was they moved it to the same weekend as the Maryland show, which has been on the same weekend for the past 20 years. If Carlisle is interested in having Chevelles there, they should think about moving it to one of the other 25 plus weekends of the show season. There's plenty of weekends with no fathers day in them.

[Steve Shauger]

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I beg to differ, it was moved because it was fathers day weekend, not for any other reason. The Aces group certainly would be welcome, but they like their independent event.

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Not sure what your talking about. I didn't say they moved the show date for any specific reason. All I said was they moved it to the same weekend as the Maryland show, which has been on the same weekend for the past 20 years. If Carlisle is interested in having Chevelles there, they should think about moving it to one of the other 25 plus weekends of the show season. There's plenty of weekends with no fathers day in them.

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Actually it has taken place on several dates, like the week before, and in July and August. The Chevelle participation has sparse regardless of the date; but I'm no rocket scientist.

I truly believe all GM brands and clubs could benefit by having one major national event.