chevelle build sheets

[jimclemens]

HELLO EVERYONE...BACK AGAIN FOR A FEW WORDS. I HAVE READ A FEW POSTS, AND BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY, I UNDERSTAND WHAT BOTH SIDES ARE SAYING. I DEAL WITH THIS EVERY DAY. NOT JUST ONCE IN WHILE WHEN SOMEONE DECIDES TO MAKE A POST ON A WEBSITE. I DO APPRECIATE THE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT KNOW ME AND SUPPORT WHAT I AM DOING. BUILD SHEETS ARE A SMALL PSRT OF WHAT I DO. I OFFER MANY OTHER SERVICES AS WELL AS ORIGINAL LITERATURE AND ORIGINAL DOCUMENTATION. WHEN ANY REPRODUCTION PART OR ITEM IS MADE, DO YOU SEE THE WORDS "REPRODUCTION" STAMPED ALL OVER IT? NOT USUALLY. IF IT WAS, PEOPLE WOULD NOT BUY IT. PEOPLE ARE JUST HAPPY TO GET THE STUFF. SOME GUYS ACTUALLY JUST WANT THE BUILD SHEET FOR A CAR THEY HAVE OWNED FOR 20 YEARS. NO EVERYYONE IS A CROOK. BELIEVE ME, THEY ARE THRILLED THEY CAN EVEN GET ONE. ALL THIS DISRUPTION AND CORRUPTION SEEMS TO BE THE PROBLEM. IT ALL FALLS ON THE BUYER AND SELLER. SELLERS SHOULD NOT MISREPRESENT THEIR CARS AND BUYERS SHOULD NOT BE BUYING THEM IF THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. BUYERS HAVE BEEN MISLED ON A CARS TRUE INDENTITY LONG BEFORE "REPO" BUILD SHEETS CAME ALONG. THANKS AGAIN FOR TAKING THE TIME TO READ. JIM

[SuperNovaSS]

If you have enough other stuff to do the quit making fake buildsheets! Also, turn off the caps lock; you are not faking a buildsheet right now.


Jason

[MYSTERYCHEVELLE]

I gues this is GUNS Don't Kill people, People Kill people logic..

Guys, I think we all realize, that no matter what we all say here, the guy is not going to stop doing what he does, too much money to be made and too thick headed. It just makes us all more AWARE of what we need to do do when buying cars.

MC

[3macs1]

I have not seen his work that I know of but from what I heard and seen on this side it is the canadian guy that has to be shut down since the FL papers assuming it is the same guy are very easy to tell that they are not original. I have been told that time and time again.
I know based on the Pm's for his contact info in canada and they are not looking for a remake of an original.

[JoeG]

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HELLO EVERYONE...BACK AGAIN FOR A FEW WORDS. I HAVE READ A FEW POSTS, AND BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY, I UNDERSTAND WHAT BOTH SIDES ARE SAYING. I DEAL WITH THIS EVERY DAY. NOT JUST ONCE IN WHILE WHEN SOMEONE DECIDES TO MAKE A POST ON A WEBSITE. I DO APPRECIATE THE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT KNOW ME AND SUPPORT WHAT I AM DOING. BUILD SHEETS ARE A SMALL PSRT OF WHAT I DO. I OFFER MANY OTHER SERVICES AS WELL AS ORIGINAL LITERATURE AND ORIGINAL DOCUMENTATION. WHEN ANY REPRODUCTION PART OR ITEM IS MADE, DO YOU SEE THE WORDS "REPRODUCTION" STAMPED ALL OVER IT? NOT USUALLY. IF IT WAS, PEOPLE WOULD NOT BUY IT. PEOPLE ARE JUST HAPPY TO GET THE STUFF. SOME GUYS ACTUALLY JUST WANT THE BUILD SHEET FOR A CAR THEY HAVE OWNED FOR 20 YEARS. NO EVERYYONE IS A CROOK. BELIEVE ME, THEY ARE THRILLED THEY CAN EVEN GET ONE. ALL THIS DISRUPTION AND CORRUPTION SEEMS TO BE THE PROBLEM. IT ALL FALLS ON THE BUYER AND SELLER. SELLERS SHOULD NOT MISREPRESENT THEIR CARS AND BUYERS SHOULD NOT BE BUYING THEM IF THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. BUYERS HAVE BEEN MISLED ON A CARS TRUE INDENTITY LONG BEFORE "REPO" BUILD SHEETS CAME ALONG. THANKS AGAIN FOR TAKING THE TIME TO READ. JIM

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Companies who make trim parts, some exact to the "ORIGINAL" badges or emblems for cars put their own inventory number on the reproduced part not the GM id number. ---Just for the heck of it, if someone came across one of "YOUR" buildsheets maybe you could educate me on how they would be able to tell the difference from the "ORIGINAL" if ( for example) your"REPRO" buildsheet wasn't being presented as a reproduction.--Since this seems to be the wave of the future I'm just curious how I can avoid being taken for a ride..........

[Rainer]

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---Just for the heck of it, if someone came across one of your buildsheets maybe you could educate me on how they would be able to tell the difference from the "ORIGINAL" if ( for example) your"REPRO" buildsheet wasn't being presented as a reproduction.--Since this seems to be the wave of the future I'm just curious how I can avoid being taken for a ride..........

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Excellent suggestion, Joe. Is the seller truly interested in minimizing the fraud that can result from the use of these build sheets, or is the attitude, "Its out of my hands."

How about this Jim - are you willing to offer a service that, for a nominal fee, you'll inspect a build sheet for a prospective buyer and verify whether its your handywork or not? This shouldn't affect the sale of your sheets for legit reasons one bit. And this wouldn't require you to reveal the tell-tale signs that differentiate your sheets from originals. Well?

[COPO427]

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Just for the heck of it, if someone came across one of "YOUR" buildsheets maybe you could educate me on how they would be able to tell the difference from the "ORIGINAL" if ( for example) your"REPRO" buildsheet wasn't being presented as a reproduction.--Since this seems to be the wave of the future I'm just curious how I can avoid being taken for a ride

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If he tells everyone then all the fake cars won't get the high dollar figure. It'll put the cloners out of business even though some clones bring in a good buck. Clones should be sold as clones and people should be locked up when caught selling clones. My .02

[ORIGLS6]

OK, my $.02 on this. I'm a graphic artist by profession. A few years ago I actually started creating the "Correct" typeface to use on reproduction window stickers and VIN decals on the drivers door. That same font could also be used on Build Sheets. It's not really all that difficult; it just takes tons of time. Bill Pritchard and a few other guys from Team Chevelle may recall my discussions on the Chevelle site at that time. A couple of things happened before I finished the project. First, my personal life took a turn. (Long, boring story.) The second thing was, I started thinking of the eventual consequences of this project. For whatever reason, I dumped the idea and I'm more comfortable about that decision everyday. Someone else may eventually tackle and complete this, but the burden of deceit will be on their shoulders; not mine.

For what it's worth, I also had reproduction window stickers for 1968, 69 & 70 that, in my opinion, are more correct than any of the others I've seen offered to date. And yes, I used originals for my example......... ones that I know are authentic because they came from my cars. Maybe someday I WILL have those made available but for now we'll just sit back and see how the 'Hobby Police' handle these situations.

[LVCamaro]

good for you, Dennis. fake paper sucks!

SS

[elcamino72]

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good for you, Dennis. fake paper sucks!

SS

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My sentiments exactly! Fake paper misleads even well informed buyers of vehicles and this is plain wrong!

If you wish to continue making these "reproduction" buildsheets, might I suggest as Mike has, please put "reproduction" on them because just because you made it for someone else could be seen as you helping to perpetrate a fraud/misrepresentation, in law its called constructive notice!