eBay '66 L78 El'Camino

[66L78ElCamino]

Thank you Charley. I advertized the car as having a numbers matching engine. i never stated that it was the original engine that came with the car. Anyone that asked me that question, was told the truth. This clown (mysterychevelle) seems to think the car is a complete fake, including the protect-o-plate. Not. He should stop the slander.

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Thank you Charley. I advertized the car as having a numbers matching engine. i never stated that it was the original engine that came with the car. Anyone that asked me that question, was told the truth. This clown (mysterychevelle) seems to think the car is a complete fake, including the protect-o-plate. Not. He should stop the slander.

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"Again, this is an original, unrestored, L78 El Camino."

I don't want to get into a big deal here but what does original and unrestored mean nowadays?

webster says original is;
1: INITIAL <the original part of the house>
2 a : not secondary, derivative, or imitative <an original composition>

restored; to bring back to or put back into a former or original state.

How can something be original if it dosent have original equipment? apparently the door has closed on such simply terms and we must now say "born with" or "unchanged" or "restamped" with every description. We are now in "day 3" of the hobby with the high tech fakes that include documents, VINs and trim tags.

This is JMHO and has nothing to do with the vehicle described above, or it's description, value or originality.

Just felt like mentioning the recent rash of double talk in car ads. Thats it.

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Here is another Dooley Chev POP book. This I got from the original owner with my "numbers matching born with original equipment car" It is obviously similar to the one being displayed on the ad of the vehicle mentioned above. I would not call that POP a fake. My cars trim tag, VINs and documents are also listed as correct examples on chevelles.com

[MYSTERYCHEVELLE]

So, it's a Don't ask don't tell policy as I said to you in the private email .. Post under a new subject.. what does matching numbers mean? not here in this post where it will get lost.. but a new post.. after reading the replies.. if the answer is Restamped blocks that did not come in the car from the factory and correct dated parts.. I will post an open apology to you for my harsh words.

I am one of the biggest on everyone must ask questions and do their homework, but at what point does a seller have some responsibilty/integrity for supplying information up front without the don't ask, don't tell policy?? The ad witten was clever, words chosen preciseley.. Mark my words, this elky will turn up again and again over the years as an original Matching Numbers L-78 and with each sale some uneduacted buyer will pay big bucks for what he thinks is an original L-78 Block, stamped with the serial number it!

I am done, anyone who feels differently is very much entitled to his/her opinion. I will await the post on what matching numbers mean.. and I am not talking about what the Vette guys accept or don't accept in judging.. I'm talking about what the rest of the world has accepted for years!

and for the record.. I noted the POP had ERROR.. delivery date vs rear assemby date.. put that with a restamped block and one has to see some shadow of doubt about anything presented about said car..

[SuperNovaSS]

There is a numbers matching thread in the main discussion area that went on about a month ago. Very lengthy.


Jason

[mudjnky]

If the engine is restamped, that means it is a replacement engine, right? Therefore it would not be a numbers matching vehicle because it has a replacement engine, right? I am by no means an expert, but to me a numbers matching vehicle means it has the original engine, among other things. To me, restamping a block, and advertising it as original would be fraud, wouldn't it?

[66L78ElCamino]

The car is a real L78 car. The pop proves that. The original owner can tell anyone that. The casting #`s on the block/heads & date codes are correct for this particular car. The engine pad stamping has been done correctly. This is a commom practice done to cars with documentation. This is nothing compared to what people do, such as remove VIN plate or cowl tag and put on a completely different car. Ridiculous.

[AutoInsane]

66L78, welcome to the site. It is a beautiful car you have there. Although MysteryChevelle comes on a bit strong I would have to agree that if you tout a car a being numbers matching it would not be a re-stamp. It is fantastic and honest of you to tell anyone who inquired that the engine was not the original even though the car is an original L-78. But why should someone have to directly ask that question? That should be disclosed.

I guess it leaves the door open for a spector of doubt if you say numbers matching and you put them there yourself and decided only to tell anyone who asked the direct quection. It will make others wonder if the engine is not the original and you did not disclose that in your Ebay auction what else might not have been disclosed.

The facts are your car is quite rare having been built with an L-78 engine, the car is in beautiful condition and it has documentation to prove its history.

Glad to have you aboard! Good luck with the sale! Someone will be getting what appears to be a very nice car.

[Paul D]

I think the key is to represent a car as it really is. If the wordsmithing of an ad makes the prospective buyer think it is something that it is not, that is misrepresentation, or at the least a misunderstanding.

Unfortunately, in todays world of higher values and greed, the buyer needs to be very savy to avoid misrepresentation.

I think the El Camino is a neat car, just worth less money with with a stamper block, etc.

My definition of "numbers matching" is that the car has it's born with components. If it doesn't, the buyer should state numbers matching restoration (or replacement) motor.

Just my $ .02.

[66L78ElCamino]

I apologize for any misunderstandings. I was not trying to pass the car off as something that it is not. Yes, it is a very, very rare car.