Harrell Website

[moparts]

Guess thats what you get for letting the experts verify your car Tom. Dale P, Val H, and Dave L. all went on and on about the car and how great it was to see it again, and how good a job you did in restoring the car back like it was it the good old days. I doubt very seriously that the drugs they were/are doing promote long term memory.

I would look at the pics they have posted to see if any are different than the one's used in restoring the car but I can't they have me banned. Guess I am the lucky one.

[Rat_Pack]

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I doubt very seriously that the drugs they were/are doing promote long term memory.


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moparts, what new information did you provide by making a post like that? That is the type of slander that everyone here has wanted to avoid and now you come on here and post that type of statement. Whether it was joking or not it shouldn't have been said.................

Now I have not seen anything from anyone on this site to negate the claims against Tom's car. USA1 Funnycar has made a strong case against Tom's car and I have yet to see any evidence to disprove this guy other than some statements made 2 years ago by Dale & Dave over a car that was presented to them as the DH funnycar from 1968. Are they not allowed to make a mistake and then change their minds? I would hope they are. Hell I have made mistakes in the past and was allowed to correct myself. Even Tom's reply above talks about how Mike and Kim have been bashed by people on other sites, I even bashed Kim on his paint because it was the wrong color. (see picture attached for the true color of red that I took in 1970) I have been bashed about stuff that I have said or done but I don't care. If I am wrong, then I am wrong and I will admit it.

I received an email from Dale a while ago and I asked him if I could post it here for everyone to read. This was sent to me long before the topic showed up on their website on Christmas Day.
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Troy. When Tom 1st came forward with this car. he claimed to have pictures and documents. We along with others took his word for it. believing in Tom and his so called loyalty. We backed him. Later Val and I were at the FCR2 when we saw the car. Being nice and being glad to see it we accepted it and didnt even look for the obvious. Dave Libby who was having health problems made it to the race, Dave had mentioned the car was repaired in the front corner.
Mo went over looked at the car and said it was repaired. At that time it showed they may have had doubt. Truth be known We ALL ran into things and repaired the fronts of our cars.
What Dave failed to say is the car had a clip put on it. Not just a repair on a corner. Val has Nevr gotten anything from Tom to verify the car, Therefore there was never a valid License agreement. yet this is the man who tells everyone that val wants all this money to use the name. i think she has been more than fair to a man who is trying to help bury her. There is more to note on this car but I am in a situation that includes Mr Clary.I cant tell you how many people have asked about this car and said what a poor job of portrail it is of Dick.

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I too want to see pictures of Tom's car before any restoration work was done as I personally feel it is not the Dick Harrell car from what I have observed. I do feel however he DOES have a significant piece of southern drag racing history and if it turns out to be that car then it needs to be restored that way.

Moparts, if you cannot see the pictures I will be glad to email them to you as I have saved all of them from their site.................RatPack.....................

[Kim_Howie]

Troy, love the pic of my car can you tell if Freds name is on the back??

[Rat_Pack]

Kim, yes that is what it says as the Gibb lettering is visible in the original. I thought you might like that picture. I found it along with about 30 others that I had thought were lost when my wife and I got married in 1991 as that was the last time I saw them. Also I have a picture of the funnycar and it says Dick Harrell on the 1/4 panel with Fred Gibb on the door in the crest...............RatPack...............

[Kim_Howie]

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Troy, That picture wasn't taken by you in 1970. Fred didn't buy the car until Aug. 23rd 1971. Enclosed copy of the title. Kim

[RPOZ26]

After looking at these two pictures you can tell the cars are not the same. Like I said before show me pictures of the car before the resto. The question is easy Tom is your car real or a clone,a simple yes or no will do. Ed

[hvychev]

Guys here is the bottom line. The rabbits and Harrels don't like Tom Clary or ANYONE that is associated with this site. To educate the new guys why, it is because Tom and the Moderators rid this site of all the riff raff negative losers that used to plague us with all their greed, lies, treachery, and deceit. Now they stop at nothing and spend their days plotting trying to find something that they can use against us. They are also the biggest closet readers of this site lurking under the mask of anomity. To prove that they hate ANYONE associated with this site I recently logged on that no good Harrell site after months of not reading only to find out that I had been banned. Not for any reason other than being associated with this site. I had dozens of very pleasant Internet conversations with Val Harrell and respect her for what she tried to do for her fathers memory until her unstable boyfriend threw a monkey wrench into the works and DISGRACED the Harrell name. Funny when Tom supported the Harrells they couldn't get enough of his car and thought it was the coolest. They roll over anybody that dosen't play ball with them.

My advice to Tom and the Moderators is stop screwing around and ban the last couple rabbits that escaped the hole to disrupt this site. It is obvious who they are.

[moparts]

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After looking at these two pictures you can tell the cars are not the same. Like I said before show me pictures of the car before the resto. The question is easy Tom is your car real or a clone,a simple yes or no will do. Ed



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I will run through this once quickly so listen up.

1. The picture you are comparing the completed car to is one of 3 that was used to restore the car. In order for it to be posted it had to be scanned and put back together since it was larger than the scanner would do. The angle of the two pictures is not exact though close.

2. There are 2 or 3 things that anyone can see is different. Rear wheels (still looking for the right one's),

rear quarter windows (at the time of this pic., which was about 1 hour after completion, we had not found any of the blue shaded plexiglass that they used)

Fuel and water tanks (after ordering and returning 3 sets of tanks to an outfit in California we decided to go with the closest they had come up with, not right but we needed to get the car to a show the next week I think)

Rear spoiler ?????? maybe there is a difference, maybe not. The spoiler was almost completly broken off the car when we started on it. The previous owners had used aircraft stripper and putty knives to remove old paint and even the gell coat from the body. In places the fiberglass was eaten all the way through.

3. Look at the lower ladder bar bracket...we were told that this was wrong on the car at Englishtown. When we showed Mr Libby these pictures he said that he must have forgot that they were on the car. We chose to install the front ladder bar in this bracket until we could run the car and find out how much traction the car had. We figured that wheel spin would be better than too much traction the first few times out. Now here is a question...if the car that Mr Libby worked on most of the time didn't have the lower bracket...then could it have been a different car?

4. Now for the tinwork...the chassis and body had been cut and redone several times in it's life. Engine had been moved who know's how many times. I cut off at least 3 different rear mounting tabs from the chassis. Every time the engine was moved the body was cut to fit. The body tin work had at least 3,000 rivets in it and needed another 1,000 to make all the metal stop flapping. We spent several day's tring to find pictures good enough to restore the tin work back to origional, but no one took detailed pics of the tin work that we could find. The tin work in the car had been cut and modified several times, moving engine, manual trans. with hand brake, etc. After talking to Bob Gibson from Ill. (who has done several funny cars) he told us that no 2 cars were ever done the same on tin work. Usually simpler was better, if the tinwork done its job then that was all that was required.

5. I know that the car is not 100% correct....but I will bet that it is at least 85%. We knew when restoring the car that there was some things that we didn't have enough information on. At Englishtown Mr. Libby was telling us a story of how the car was wrecked and the left front fender busted and repaired. We all walked over to the car and sure enough there was the patch on the fender just like what he described. Dale P. pointed out 2 or 3 safety items that we needed to address on the engine. Bruce Larson was very helpful that day at Englishtown with advice and help that was priceless. But at no time, not from anyone there, was the authenticity of the car questioned.

So to answer your question:

All the stories and history of the car fit when restoration was started. Besides modifications done to chassis and body the parts matched the pictures.

When car was shown for the first time Mechanics and Drivers from that time period verified the car. Some with stories of things that happened, some by looking the car over and just saying man that brings back some good memories.

I can say that Tom and myself have had a blast restoring, showing, talking about and running the car. Lots of hours and miles have been put into this car over the last 3 or 4 years.

So is it real because They said so?

Or is it a fake because They said so?

[Rat_Pack]

Kim, you are correct about the date, but I did take that picture. Fred bought the car on Monday the 23rd and it was at Bristol by the end of the week with the Stott Chevrolet lettering removed and Fred's name on the quarter panel. This was the last race at Bristol that Dick was at. This was the All-American Nationals that was held on the last weekend of August and it was the very first IHRA race at Bristol. That is why the car shows the S/S on the windshield as IHRA called their "Pro Stock" class Super Stock for the 71 season and then in 72 it became Pro Stock. I have a video made from an old that shows Dick working on the car in the pits during that race so it is two weeks before he was killed...................RatPack.................. ...

[Kim_Howie]

Troy, Where did you came up with this info???