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Old 12-11-2005, 06:40 AM
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6161x11 - yes, that part of the VIN matches, as does the additional digits that PaceCarJeff added. The trim tag does designate this car to have a brown vinyl top - did the Wagner car have that as well?
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Old 12-11-2005, 06:46 AM
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I hope Tuttle is still in business. I still have an unsatisfied judgement against him.


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Old 12-11-2005, 06:54 AM
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the wagner car did not have a vinyl roof, also i,m not sure that the wagner car was a heater delete, i don't know what the wagner car had for a trim tag code as far as the vinyl roof is concerned. i do know that willie wagner flew ed c.
in to look at the car and determined it was a clone, it was well enough done that it fooled wagners. i believe that ed c. found a wiring harness discrepancy that sealed the clone title on the car. the shifter on the wagner car had some marks on the lower part of the shifter shaft that looked like it had been heated and bent to a little different position than the stock shifter, down near the sifter boot base. also scott wagner said that all the date codes and stampings were correct at the time they bought the car, they sold it and delivered it out of state, then the new owner had some questions that couldn't be answered, wagners ended up refunding the money and selling the car as a clone. it sold the second time around for about $52,000.00, scott said that it was a nice car, though the motor was a little bit tired.
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Old 12-11-2005, 07:57 PM
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Well, the POP looks pretty good so if it's a fake they did a great job. But if this is the car that had the tags removed at the junkyard then this could be a legit POP but the car is a complete rebody from what I gather reading those old threads. Any car that Tuttle was involved with, I would stay far away from. And the heater delete is not legit since the car was sold in the lower 48 states it was required to have a heater. There are threads going back to 2002 about this car so do some searches and enjoy the reading.
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Old 12-13-2005, 02:03 AM
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scott wagner was nice enough to call me back this afternoon with the vin# information, the car being discussed is indeed the car that was at wagners in 2002. scott wagner is a trustworthy dealer in my opinion and welcomed any calls with questions from members. i hope this saves some one a big head ache
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Old 12-13-2005, 02:06 AM
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one further note, in 2002 the car did not have a pop
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Old 12-13-2005, 02:28 AM
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Amazing how that seems to happen.
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Old 12-13-2005, 02:33 AM
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Very amazing - especially with a POP that looks so good to most folks. I'll just keep looking for that affordable needle in a haystack. Thanks for everyone's information, input, advice, suggestions and guidance!
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