69 Camaro Body in the Crate

[Mark_C]

Well we'll just have to wait and see.

Here comes the coupe version. The prototype is at the SEMA show now. Supposed to retail somewhere between 10 and 13K.

[njsteve]

All legal arguing aside, that is still totally amazing! I wonder if they are going to dip them in an E-coating instead of merely spray primering them?

[rpoz11]

Now that I can see the actual dash panel having the DOT GM VIN locations present, this disturbes me even more!

Seems to me ever more each day that all of us who have the original cars still left to get onto an authorized responsible Registry!
We should get this done before all of the low lifers with bad intentions, aka that Canadian joker Charley outed, get that bird flu thats going around and try to fake some orignal cars, before it's tooooo late!

Carrol Shelby ran into some problems with the so called few remaining AC bodies he had left over(??? ) not too long ago...whatever occured with him attempting to title and register those bodies as actual original cars?

Do we anywhere on this board have an Attorney and a Law Enforcement employee with sufficient credibility who could offer up some real time answers on these reproduction bodies?

[njsteve]

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Do we anywhere on this board have an Attorney and a Law Enforcement employee with sufficient credibility who could offer up some real time answers on these reproduction bodies?


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Go back a page and re-read.

[amuseme]

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Let's face it, the only parts of a car that I.D. it as "that car" are the areas where the VIN itself is stamped. Cut those out and weld them into the corresponding areas on a better body and, bodaboom-bodabing, instant rust-free survivor. Whether it's right or wrong is up to you,but you haven't technically removed the VIN, since it's still connected to the "car". What's your definition of "car" or "automobile"?

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Your described procedure would absolutely be a felony under federal law. Not even a maybe. Eventually someone would find out, and if the info got to an interested law enforcement type, you would lose the car, it would be confiscated and if you were the person who did the switching you would be prosecuted as well. I am telling you this from a "legal beagle" standpoint, having worked on some of these types of cases.

[/ QUOTE ] First, I want to make it clear that I wouldn't do this, I have a real Z28 and this practice could hurt me like anyone else. I don't doubt you njsteve, I'm confident you know the law,(Lord knows the average lay-person can't understand it...a topic for another day!), but your response begs the question....how much of a car does the law consider "a car"?

[Belair62]

There will be big differences ..it's gotta say Made in Taiwan somewhere

[rpoz11]

Yes BelAir!
And...where in fact will it say that ON the body in face value!

Y1's intent was innocent I am sure at first, but we can all see the writing on the wall with this shell....Threw this idea at a family member older than I and she suggested that it was only time before a fraud car evolves!
This has got to be stopped or better yet, more ID stamping present to prevent fake cars!

[gemleeus]

I agree with belair, there has to be some differences, although it probably won't prevent fraud. i would imagine it would cost someone more to try and make it LOOK original than what it will be worth. those they don't know any better will be the ones to get taken. imo

[70 copo]

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Do we anywhere on this board have an Attorney and a Law Enforcement employee with sufficient credibility who could offer up some real time answers on these reproduction bodies?


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Steve,

Very neat topic indeed! Question for you: I just got an out of state vehicle inspected by a certified state inspector who was directly employed by the state DMV. The inspection was little more than a glance at the vin number and the title. Nothing else was checked.

Now lets assume that the "body gestapo" inspectors are being trained someplace out there right now.....

That would tell me that there is some standardized process of inspection that is a result of or has been derived from state or federal law someplace Right?

Why don't you locate just one of these this statutes, and a corresponding legal opinion that have been upheld in one court case on this very topic.

I just want to be real sure that we are not mixing opinion in this thread from statutes designed to preclude auto chop shops (stolen cars) from VIN# switching.

VIN# switching- where the body and its parts are stolen and a new VIN# is assigned with the intent to cover the theft.

The application of this lawmaking would be designed to convict auto theft chop shop operators.

So I am left to ponder the applicability of such a law to a ligitimate auto restoration processes or custom car builder applications where ownership of the vehicle/Title/parts is not at all in question.

Heck Just post a link to one case. Educate us!!


Phil

[njsteve]

Unfortunately this situation falls into that fraud statute. This is one of those areas where technology has advanced farther than the law. The drafters of the laws never imagined that someone would recreate an exact copy of a long extinct car and sell it on the open market for repair purposes. It is quite literally "Jurassic Park meets Perry Mason." (Quick, someone with PhotoShop create me an image of this)