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Old 12-24-2004, 12:28 AM
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WOW Dave, You and Joe really got it down pat! Could not have said it any better than those two guys. GM is hanging on almost for dear life and they are going to do something to help the hobby? t in my life time. I don't even like their cars anymore. How about just giving us an SS truck to compete??
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Old 12-24-2004, 12:47 AM
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Posted by John Z, August 3, 2004 on the CRG site:

"This subject has been beaten to death on this and many other Camaro/Corvette/Chevelle forums for a long time, with all manner of weird conspiracy and liability theories being espoused, all of which is simply BS. Chevrolet has commissioned massive internal searches at least twice (I know the people personally who headed those efforts), and contracted with Jim Mattison's ASC firm (which owns PHS) three years ago to find the 30-40-year-old records, and nobody has found anything (and I doubt they ever will). GM is not in the business of saving and cataloging old paper records - they're in the business of selling cars and trucks. This subject makes great chatter at cruise-ins, but that's all it is - idle chatter and weird theories; don't hold your breath for some miraculous treasure trove of old records to surface. If anyone had found them, they would have surfaced by now."
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Old 12-24-2004, 01:02 AM
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I can appreciate both sides of this, but also think it will land on deaf ears at GM. I have a friend who talks with Jim quite often , and there is rumoured to be a warehouse full of old documents that covers some 800,000 sq feet. Manpower is one huge issue with regards to searching whats there, and at the end of the day, they might not find what their looking for. As for GM's take on this, they are very concerned that if found and released, they would be third party to a ton of Class Action lawsuits. The suits would be forthcoming from every person who bought a cloned Vette, Yenko or Copo, and just about every other falsely badged car the lawyers could find in their class action claim.

When the car carriers hauled these cars back in the day, there were documents to prove what options the cars had as they were shipped. This was a must for insurance claims so the underwriters could settle any damages that occured while in transit. That alone would prove the cars had paper and these are the documents rumoured to be in this storage facility. The big problem is that GM is not about to let anyone rumage through those files and potentially open a world of law suits for them should they be discovered. Can you imagine how many claims would drag GM into court stating that they (GM) had them all along when they denied them existing? Everyone would be saying that GM could have prevented them paying to much for a would be clone car if its was proved not to be real.

I'm sorry guys, but I would side with good luck on this ever happening. George Zapora at GM Canada said to me and I quote, "If they did exist, they would never be released because of the damage it would do to GM after all these years of claiming they don't exist". He seemed to think that even if they did exist, they would never be released. I think he is right, and as connected as Jim is, he might not ever get this done. Don't get me wrong as I am all for it. I would love to see the US owners get the same paper that Canadians have been fortunate to have had all along. It would sure flood the market with cheap clone cars though, and there would be people jumping out of 425 / 435 horse cars all over the place.

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Old 12-24-2004, 01:13 AM
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They might exist....But right now I think of them the same as Santa Claus,Bigfoot,and the Easter Bunny!


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Old 12-24-2004, 01:33 AM
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What?!! Santa Claus is not real?
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Old 12-24-2004, 04:45 AM
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Sorry but the Statute of liminations would prevent that.
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