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Its over 40k now...what "flash & wow" did a 69 have that is a lot different than a 68 ???
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69's had a rear deck spoiler, forward hood scoops and a white with gold accent stripes. The 68 has a more sleeper look. Check the attached pic
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OK...forgot we were talking about Hurst cars...
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69's had a rear deck spoiler, forward hood scoops and a white with gold accent stripes. The 68 has a more sleeper look. Check the attached pic [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, I think the guys that did the appearance package on the 69 spent too much time in the J.C Whitney catalog back then. Same ones smoked a little more rope and came up with the Rallye 350. ![]() ![]()
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I know that the HO's in '68 and '69 were sent to Hurst without an engine. The 455 were put in after the car left the plant. I'm not sure if they put in an engine with some type of stamp or not. I confirmed this with a local owner of a '68 yesterday. He knows quite a bit about the HO's and has three. He just purchased a '72 442 from me.
There is a nice 1970 W30 on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...66511&rd=1 |
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Tim, the 68/69 H/O's were delivered to Demmer Engineering (responsible for the conversions) with the 455 already in place. For several decades, within both Musclecar magazines and books, it was reported that Demmer Engineering transplanted 455's into 442's in order to bypass the GM mandate limiting A-body cars to 400 cubic inches. There were always rumors that these 442's, destined for the Hurst/Olds conversion, actually had 455's installed at the factory. Finally, a few years ago Jack "Doc" Watson confirmed this in an episode of "American Musclecar" when he looked at the camera and stated clearly that yes, the 442's were shipped to Demmer Engineering with the 455's already installed by Oldsmobile.
Dave H. can shed some more light on this too, as he was actually there when it happened. ![]() Another long time myth that was finally blown apart was that the 1964 Car & Driver GTO, the one article that arguably launched the Musclecar Era, had a 389 Tri-Power. For 35 years, Jim Wangers stood by this story, so dozens of articles and books quoted him. However, in 1999, Wangers finally came clean in his "Glory Days" book and admitted that the 1964 Car & Driver GTO had a prepped 421 under the hood. ![]()
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I talked with some of the line workers that were assembling the Cutlass/ 442 in '69 and they confirmed that the 455 was in the frame rails as it came down the line. In '68 and '69 the 455's were red, a sharp contrast to the engine colors of the 350's and 400's. They said they could see those units coming from a long ways away.
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Thats not true!! they definetly left the factory with the 455 in it. the vin number to the car is stamped on the block and was done at the factory. they were shipped in silver to demmer and thats where they did the paintwork and stripes. Its in the hurst heritage book.
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Way back then was there not some fed law that the factory had to have a vin and hidden # on the car and the motor and trans had to match?
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My cousin had a 68 Hurst Olds and the VIN was stamped in the block and a few 69 Hurst Olds I have personally looked at had the VIN on the block as well. All Demmer did was stripe the cars, the walnut dash plaque and possibly the dual gate shifter. Gotta love the Hurst Olds
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