67 (YENKO) baldwin motion identification question

[Charley Lillard]

In my opinion the other guy does not have a Yenko, he has tags and maybe a Title. I see nothing wrong with restoring this car back as a Yenko .

[sYc]

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In my opinion the other guy does not have a Yenko, he has tags and maybe a Title. I see nothing wrong with restoring this car back as a Yenko .

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So, in your opinion, Berger should spare no expense in restoring this car, as it is a Yenko, and once completed, will be worth the investment, as once completed, it will bring the same $$$ as other documented '67 Yenkos.

[Charley Lillard]

I have no idea if he should spare no expense as I have no idea what his financial situation is. I think if restored as a Yenko it will be worth alot more than a Camaro but less than a Orig tagged Yenko. If he restored it as a Yenko what would the SYC consider it ? And would Ed issue it a Certificate ? There are cars out there that are nothing more than Titles and Trim tags that are still selling for Supercar Money and considered Supercars so why should this car be treated as a lessor car ? Great discussion Fodder.

[sYc]

I agree with most of what has been said, except for the part about the missing tags. Here is why. I know of more then one instance where tags from one car were installed on another (accident, rust, other?) with the remaining pieces of the old car left for salvage. Then one day, the body reappears, thus 2 cars with the same VIN. I owned one of 2 '66 Shelby Mustangs with the same VIN and I have been told there is a ZL-1 out there that this has happened to and I know of at least one instance of a Yenko race Corvette being in court over a similar type situation.

And what if the person with the tags had posted first,
would everyone be telling him instead that he has a Yenko? It is a Yenko, but who has what? We all have our opinions of which is of more importance, the body or the tags, but in reality, who can really say, except for a judge? Acknowledging a car's heritage is one thing, its' ownership a whole 'nother ballgame.

[camarojoe]

I know I'd much rather have a real Yenko with missing VIN and trim tags than an original set of Yenko tags riveted to a non-supercar. If the guy with the original tags to this car ever surfaced, I would say all he has is a couple of cool collectibles for his scrapbook, not a Yenko car. As far as value goes, no question a car that hasn't been messed with and has all its tags in place, etc. has more value than one that doesnt, but as Charlie said, there are plenty of cars out there that many consider supercars which are really just original tags riveted to a different body. At least this is a real Yenko car, not just a real Yenko VIN tag. JMO.

[sYc]

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I know I'd much rather have a real Yenko with missing VIN and trim tags than an original set of Yenko tags riveted to a non-supercar. If the guy with the original tags to this car ever surfaced, I would say all he has is a couple of cool collectibles for his scrapbook, not a Yenko car. As far as value goes, no question a car that hasn't been messed with and has all its tags in place, etc. has more value than one that doesnt, but as Charlie said, there are plenty of cars out there that many consider supercars which are really just original tags riveted to a different body. At least this is a real Yenko car, not just a real Yenko VIN tag. JMO.

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So any supercar out there that has been "rebodied", which if the turth were told would be several, is not legit, regardless of who or how? All these owners really have are items for their scrapbooks? Hmmmm..., glad you said that, not me.

[camarojoe]

If the only original Yenko part of your car is a the VIN tag and the body trim tag, then yes, i say its a clone. But I also say, thats simply MY personal opinion.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Just to make things more cloudy, there is a Yenko Camaro here in PA that was stolen years ago. The owner had removed the original engine due to the high gas prices, and had a SB in it. After 5+ years the car is recovered in Florida, as a stolen car - no vin tags. The owner gets the car back, but no VIN plate. Since he had the original title, registration, police report, and the orig engine, it was easy to determine that it was his car. The PA - DOT and the PA State Police actually issued him a special anodized plate with the VIN and riveted it to the firewall, over by the heater box I believe. Now the car is fully titled and registered.

So, if it was possible to do such a thing with this car, Berger may have another avenue to pursue. If this '67 car was indeed stolen in the past, and the tags removed, it might be possible to research the vin in all states looking for a 'stolen vehicle report' - in my mind a viable reason to actually utilize the NICB - and see what comes up in other states. The down side is that maybe the guy who had it stolen might get it back, then you might have to give up the car - unless the owner was paid off by his insurance company. How would that work Kim?