Royal info wanted

[GOAT72]

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Since you like books, I'm sure you most own Jim Wangers Book "Glory Days." Turn to the Introduction chapter and read the introdution paragraph. Find my name?

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Eric,
There is a quote: "My friend Eric Schiffer is driving my 1969 GTO Judge. The Michigan license plates read: Wangers."

So you were:
a) driving Jim's car
or
b) you purchased Jim's car.
Congratulations... you are now a Royal Pontiac expert!

Gimme a break... based upon your photo, you were probably approximately 8-14 years old when Royal was in its heyday.
There's no way you can be over 50. So how could you have "been there"?
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~GOAT72

[Steve_Hoog]

If you expect me to listen to anything you have to say, you have to identify yourself. I don't care if you do or not, but your opinions are meaninless without.

A few things come to mind about a person wanting to talk smack from behind a curtain.

[the70judge]

I agree with Goat72 , You cannot bad mouth someone just because of what someone has said, at one time, read the Pontiac Bible ( commonly known as ) Pontiac Musclecar Performand 1965-79 gto/firebird/superduty/ram air by Pete mcCarthy and John Angeles Its awesome and has most if not all the information other than from themselves or guys who worked and owned Royal Bobcat!! My 2 cents!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/[/img]

[Bobcat]

Maybe you would have to had Milt steal an engine from you or one of your friends over the years, to understand. Look up a surgeon in FL, Bobby Gingle, or in Detroit and man who owns a Steel processing plant, James Gannes. These two would love to tell you about Milt.
Installing and removal of an engine at the drag strip hardly constitutes engineering involvement. Particulary when you spin a bearing after 5 runs and are told NOT to open it up. Just ship it back to PMD untouched.
As for Milt's resent Brown Ram Air V. That is another in a long line of Milts dellusions. Jim Wangers bought that brown car just after leaving the ad agency in April 1969. It was a Ram Air IV car. When JIm was ready to sell it he sold to one of Milts friends in Ohio. Milt convinced that gentleman to install a ram air V into the car. The car has a "Royal Automotive" painted on the lower front fender. Not Royal Pontiac. Royal Pontiac had been sold and Milt was fired from Leader Automotive, George Delorean. (Yes I know him). The gentleman had the car till a few years ago. I'm not sure if he took ill or past away, was the reason for the sale. This was not a PMD mule. This was engine swap was done by Brain Ballish at Milt's Royal Automotive. May be you should contact Brian he can tell you how the IRS came after him because MILT never paid his withholding and other taxes, along with bounced pay checks.
You have got to be kidding. Your going to read magazines as your source of info and rely on Milt's site? LOL, Why don't you just read the "STAR" or "ENQUIRE" for your daily news.

[GOAT72]

Bobcat attempted to spell:
""SO,NO MY KNOWLEDGE IS NOT BASED ON SOME FANTISY BOOK YOU READ. The books you read did not interview Dick Jesse, he's been dead a good 20 years. Ace Jr. since about 1989 Ace Sr. about 10 years. Yes, I do also Know Mac McKellar, Jack "Doc" Watson, John Sawruk and JIm Mattison to name a few who you may have heard of. Mine is not opion but based on first hand knowledge.">>

*********** So Steve Statham wrote a "fantasy book" and because you're a chiropractor this makes YOU the expert that we all should listen to? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
Oh, and Tom DeMauro at HPP... he's lying too?
Is his book also a "fantasy"?

Question: Where you ever removed (a.k.a. booted) from a local Pontiac club that you were involved in? Do you hold any animosity toward its members? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]
Just checkin' so we all know where you're coming from!
Thanks!
G72

[GOAT72]

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Installing and removal of an engine at the drag strip hardly constitutes engineering involvement. Particulary when you spin a bearing after 5 runs and are told NOT to open it up. Just ship it back to PMD untouched.
You have got to be kidding. Your going to read magazines as your source of info and rely on Milt's site? LOL, Why don't you just read the "STAR" or "ENQUIRE" for your daily news.

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No, "Bobcat" I'm going to listen to YOU, an obviously angry (about something) man who thinks that spouting negative information concerning a man's financial problems constitutes and validates changing the course of REAL history.
Actually, I'd rather read books by Stratham, Zazarine, DeMauro and yes, even Jim Wangers, (read it twice) before listening to you.

As far as the brown Ram AIr V car is concerned: if it was in fact rebuilt as a Ram Air V, then WHY is it one of Milt's "delusions"? NOBODY could get a factory RAV, so Milt found the car and purchased it. He doesn't claim it was a "factory" RAV.

If Milt couldn't race a car, then why was he in Florida, testing the RA V? And if Milt removed a RA-V from that Florida car and installed another one which was shipped FROM PONTIAC overnight after the first one blew, then why would you say he wasn't involved in any aspect of "engineering"? It's obvious that Pontiac engineers trusted Milt enough to ship him a 2nd RAV and let him install it.
And wow... I've NEVER heard of anyone spinning a bearing after 5 runs at a dragstrip! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/[/img]
I guess Milt's the only guy who's ever done THAT! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Finally, If you have a Bobcat '68 Firebird, I'd say the odds are pur-rrrrrty decent that ol' Milt layed hands on your engine at some point. Or perhaps he even BUILT the whole thing! I mean, he DID work on the performance vehicles at Royal.

And if he DIDN'T, then Steve Stratham, Thomas DeMauro and the rest of 'em are all liars and you, Bobcat, are the new Royal Bobcat Minister of Information.

One more thing: I have met Mr. DeMauro and Milt Schornack. I had dinner with them. Milt has SEVERAL scrapbooks full of photos from his days at Royal. It's funny how a guy who "was not employed there as a mechanic" has so many stories and photos to back him up.

I think it's YOU, not us, who is living in a fantasy world, my friend.

~GOAT72

[Bobcat]

You guys are too much. Good by and have a nice fantacy life.

[Steve_Hoog]

Keith

I don’t know what this sticker means to fact, but it has interesting possibilities.

Since it has a round port top end with aluminum intake IV intake, how do we know?

It could have been a RAII carryover block from 68 with IV components added at the factory; could have been a V block installed in Engineering, and obviously some one would have had to change out the cam? Could be Royal swapped who knows what in the car, either from another car or something they got from engineering?

What ever the nature of this block, it pre dates the Florida testing and gives the car another interesting part of the its history.

[Charley Lillard]

Whatever happened to that car ?

[Steve_Hoog]

Charley

In my opinion it went on to become the most recognizable 69 GTO in the history of Pontiac.