up date kit fot 04 GTO

[PxTx]

STI is made by Subaru. It is based on their compact Impreza car. The Impreza has a performance option WRX which gives the base 2.0 liter engine turbo treatment and suspention as well. Thge STI is the WRX Impreza car with the larger Legacy (Subaru's bigger car) 2.5 liter engine with the turbo treatment etc. the STI engine is more than just a stock 2.5 with a turbo but ou get the idea.

Subaru has an even larger engine, a H6 3.0 liter which may find its way into a later STI so they are far from their performance limit. The STI is also a 4 door car which 4 adults can comfortably get in and out of as well as ride for several hours, unlike the Mustang.

The way I see it, the Impreza is like a first gen Camaro. You have the base model (6 cyl or mild small block), the WRX (like an SS396 Camaro), and you have the STI (like a 427 Camaro). I've seen the STI sell around 30. Hot rod lists it for 29, the guy in my neighborhood bought his for almost 32. It is still safe to say that it could be had for around 30. What else can offer this level of performance? It ain't gonna be a GTO, anyone hear of a savior in the works for GM?

[olredalert]

pxtx,

------Fast is good,but at some time or other you have to look at it. I dont believe I have ever looked at any Subaru and not had to avert my eyes after a couple of seconds so as to not suffer some sort of style annuerism to the brain! Think of it this way; You only go fast every so often,but you look at the car all the time,even if its over the hood...........Bill S

[PxTx]

Bill, I respectfully disagree. We started this thread talking about the disappointing style (and performance from my opinion) of the GTO. I can hardly even consider it a GTO without a hood scoop let alone several other missing peices of function. The GTO by the aformentioned standard dneither looks good or performs well enough. WIll it be a disappointment? We'll see.

The Subaru in my opinon is an attracttive looking car. Yes, I could do without the rear spoiler, but the rest looks pretty good. I even like the hood scoop, heck its got one and the GTO doesn't...go figure! Maybe I am a little caught up in its performance capablility, but half my atraction to a car is what it allows me to do while driving.

To draw a comparison to another peice of GM iron I like, the 55 from Two Lane Blacktop isn't the best looking car by any standard, but it is still attractive looking to me because I know what it is capable of.

I've attached the cover of Hot Rod I borowwed from my pop's house. Is it really that bad?

Best regards,

Paul Tholey

[Chevy454]

How about the best ET/MPH they got out of each car?

[Seattle Sam]

Rustang:
390 hp
390 lb ft
with 8 lbs of boost
3530 lbs
9.05 lb / hp

quarter mile: 13.30 @ 109.0 (et seems slow for that mph...)

Sub-Aru:
300 hp
300 lb ft
with 14.5 lbs of boost
3125 lbs
10.4 lb / hp

quarter mile: 13.29 @ 100.5 (more like a good et for the mph IMO)

Seems to me you should get a 12.xx out of 109 miles an hour, what do some of you racers think?
Plus I hear it's real simple (and cheap) to change pulleys in the Rustang and get a bunch more boost and power..

-Sam [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/[/img]

[Chevy454]

I'm usually not one to take sides with the Ford guys, but...

It looks like the testers couldn't drive for crap. That thing should be in the 12s, and even that MPH is too low. Running those times with the Subaru was a no brainer since it's AWD, but a 390hp car with RWD is gonna have a "tendency" to spin the wheels! Looks like they left most of there ET/MPH at the starting line...

[PxTx]

Sorry if you didn't like the analogy I drew to the 55. You obviously like them very much. I am not trying to say the Subaru is faster. With all the aftermarket mods the 55 had, just about any car would be.

Yes, the Mustang was most likely traction limited. I have a roots blown toyota truck I drive everyday (about 30k a year). The low end torque does make it hard to get out of the hole without a huge smoke show. With slicks the Mustang would do better, but it would not be stock. I find the Subaru to be better engineered for the elegance of all components working together and doing several things well...accelerate, brake, turn, seat 4 people, etc.

Back to the spirit of the thread, the GTO is unable to do any of these things better than a less expensive Japanese cars (which seem to get better every year). An update package is nessisary if the market is expected to suport this car for more than a few years. What ever happened to the ho-hum Thunderbird?

[55chevy]

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the 55 from Two Lane Blacktop isn't the best looking car by any standard, but it is still attractive looking to me because I know what it is capable of.


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Hey now... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] Now you're stepping on my dirt. That is the baddest '55 there is. Not only is is good looking and BETTER looking than ANY Subaru.. That particular 55 Chevy they used in the movie Two Lane Blacktop for the drive by shots will take ANY Subaru and throw it so far off into the woods you'd think Crocodile Dundee would run along and jump in and say take me to the wedding.. Best pick a different example of an "ugly" car.. Such as the 04 GTO.. Because there ain't an "ugly" 55 Chevy out there!. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif[/img] And if you'd like to know what the 55 from Blacktop could REALLY do, just ask me and I'll be happy to tell you.. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]