70 Judge RAIV and V continuation

[MarkIV427]

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Tom you might know this one, you would appear to be top dog on RAV stuff in this forum.

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Steve,

I mean no disrespect here, but I went back and read that thread. From what I can tell, it appears that he is the only Pontiac guy that you and your buddy "mrmuscle" have not alienated.

[Steve_Hoog]

Mark

Sometimes the boat has to be rocked a little bit.

I think I squared things with Jim M.

And Bill Shultz was a misunderstanding; I honestly thought he was one of the aynonmous phone call people, just faking an id to jack with me.

GTO_Don, I can't explain him.

Dajudge was a race challenge, I never was mad at him and I don't think he's mad at me. He is more than welcome to correct me.

I like this forum, and if numbers and attention are ok with the leaders. The site sure got that. I think everyone learned something, I know I have. We still yet may change Pontiac history, and this debate was going on long before it hit this site.

If no Pontiacs had ever left the doors without this motor so be it. But if they did, the more time that goes by the harder to prove.

Would you agree from what you've read there is room for suspicion that a RAV motor may have been so put in a car or two?

[sixtiesmuscle]

Don't start that again Steve. I know some of us want to do something else THIS weekend.

[GTO_DON]

what do you mean 'you cant explain me'! DONT TRY TO! im one of the nicest people you would ever meet. its when somebody is bullheaded and constantly makes stupid remarks about a subject he knows nothing about.For your information,those codes are published in that book because it was going to be a production engine! anybody knows any and every over the counter block just had a SR ON IT FOR SERVICE REPLACEMENT! NO CODES. ITS PLAIN TO SEE SOMEBODY STAMPED THAT BLOCK YOU HAVE [OTHER THAN PONTIAC]THATS WHY THAT JUDGE WILL NEVER TURN OUT TO BE REAL. EXPLAIN THAT!! signed; Pete townsend [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

[Steve_Hoog]

Don

Let's see you be objective. Take another look and lets talk about it reasonably.

[Steve_Hoog]

I conclude that it was done long ago, how long I have no clue, I would certainly say before 99, the combonation of rust, paint, and depth leaves me to believe the W and numbers are of the same time and style stamping, leaving the Y not an exact match and out of line with the W, what does the Y mean, I don't know, I promise you I didn't do it, I don't see SR anywhere....?

[gtoguru]

Although most SR blocks dont have engine codes stamped in them the service techs were supposed to stamp the code in them the same as the block they were replacing. For ID purposes. This didnt get done very often. Dont know that a RAV block would have a SR # as it was not a replacement for any block installed in a car. Probably had an engineering DS # if anything.

[MrsBillyBobcat]

Steve,

Is the number above the ìWYî on the engine block ì689549î? (thatís what it looks like) Also, is the photo in your attachment from the block that is currently in Garyís silver Judge (the one that has been there since it left the factory)?

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[Steve_Hoog]

I can't tell what the first number is, that is the block out of the car. The air cleaner pic was a sheet pulled off a car before it left the line (not the car in debate).

Gary sent this to me in an email concerning the stamping:

"Remind them that I scraped the original paint off to take the picture, this was a factory stamp. Look at 100 original pontiac engines of all types and the two letters don't always line up perfect. If someone was trying to make a bogus stamping, they would do it perfect anyway."

I'll get the date code and first digit soon as I talk to him again.

[MrsBillyBobcat]

The verdict is in...You be the îJUDGEî [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif[/img]

Since this topic came up, I have been sifting through Bill's "RAM AIR V" file (while he is at work [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]). He has tons of info on the RAM AIR V motor. I think I may have found something that answers the ìMILLION DOLLAR QUESTIONî here (that being whether or not a particular Judge came from the factory with a RA V). I found photos of a ìcrated RA Vî (the same one) in two different publications from the mid 80ís (see below). It has an engine number stamped on it very similar to the one Steve posted from the Judge in question (see attachment in his post in response to GTO DON on page 3)

The engine in these articles is engine #689539. The one from the Judge in question appears to be engine #689549. I believe the engine number is part of a ìsequential numbering systemî. According to the ìdate cast codeî on engine #689539, it was cast on January 21,1970 during the night shift. Therefore, I would have to believe that engine #689549 would have been cast AFTER that. Since the motor in the Judge was built after January 21, 1970, and the car was invoiced in November of 1969, then logically there is NO POSSIBLE WAY that this engine was in that car from the FACTORY!

Court is now ADJOURNED!


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