1970 gto judge ram air IV

[Steve_Hoog]

Dajudge

I certainly hope you will be at Joplin next year, it will be an immense pleasure to meet you in person.

The owner of the car is already in his pj's and didn't feel like he needed to fill your request for another pic, I don't blame him. He did say to tell you the number is 481708, and tomrorrow he might go flip the block for a pic. But he thinks your a little over the edge.

If you will go back and read the previous post, you will see that I clearly stated there is no VIN number on the block. And no I will not kiss your butt.

You and Don both need to remember, this is not about what I have said. This is about what Bill Knafel has said. I don't know Bill personally, but I bet he has more integrity than anyone elses opinion in this matter.

Bragging about a car is not my style, racing is. Bring on your first 71 Judge, lets see if you can back it up at the track!!!

[GTO_DON]

i think bill knafle tends to elaborate the truth of what he remembers. EVERYBODY LOVES A [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif[/img]GOOD STORY!

[DaJudge]

I am sorry to see that an old car dealer has more respect and integrity than a person like Jim Mattison who actually worked for GM and has stated that a RA V car did not come from the factory, please review the past 100 posts to verify this quote. I never talked about drag racing my car but it did run a 13.2 at ATCO raceway and my RA IV car has run 12.98's with slicks. I think that's pretty respectible for stock cars with some tuning. Can't wait to meet you in Joplin, maybe we can even have a beer at Roadhouse Rubys or Guitars and Cadillacs, they are great bars and I would love to buy you a round. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

[Steve_Hoog]

Normally I don't administer ass whoopins to follow Pontiac brethren, but I will make exception in this case. Mine is a street car, but you better bring more ponies if your going to take my challenge.

[mrmuscle]

dajudge, i was shocked to see you refer to mr knafel as an "old car dealer" that is so disrespectful to a man whose cars set many world records and was the most lethal pontiac drag racing team in history. you know that you nor i nor jim mattison ever worked in pontiacs engineering "hobby shop" we dont know what all really happened in there. mr knafel had been talking about these two judges before either one of them surfaced and had even wrote about them a few years later in the smoke signals (pontiac oakland club internationals club magazine for the chevy guys who might not know what it is) back in around 1999. do you think that they built this engine and never put it in a car to test it? mr knafel said the cars were sent to him to drag race. who knows maybe it was not intended to have them sold. but just like many experiemental cars that are in private collectors hands, it does happen. NEVER SAY NEVER usually you have to go back and eat your words. why are a few people so afraid to admit this could (and more likely than not) have happened?

[Steve_Hoog]

Dajudge

Yes I think Bill Knafel has more integrity in the Pontiac arena than Jim M.

It is a fact that Bill was a forerunner in the developement of drag racing. Without people like Bill, and the person behind Royal, and the people behind other racing teams we would not have the mega sport as it is today. This does not take away from any single drag racing superstar, there is merit in people like Bill he gave drag racing a back bone. Just so happens that Pontiac was Bill's vehicle. I promise you Bill ran into more obstacles than you can imagine, it's always like that when your on the cutting edge.

For those of you that haven't seen this page about Bill, take a look please: History of The Tin Indian

Jim M. worked for Chevy, and anything he has to say about his knowledge of Chevy from his working expeirence I have no problem with. As for Pontiacs, he has a key to the Pontiac archive room. That is a great blessing indeed, but that does not make him the Pontiac expert. He is now a very valuable tool to the Pontiac enthusiast looking for historical data. Thank you Pontiac for allowing it, and Jim M for what he does do. Something is better than nothing.

Jim wrote me an email a month ago stating he would help me shout from the roof tops if this car was real, next thing I heard from Jim is this one sentence post in this forum. So I'm a little confused at just what it is you've done Jim? Did you come up with some documentation that you haven't told anyone about? Did you even try? Does GM not want you to release something?

Jim, help me to understand why I should believe in you like so many others do.

Now you understand why Bill has my integrity vote?

[mrmuscle]

that is one really cool link. if you go to the goatfinders page and do a search on knafel, it will surprise you how much info he has on him

[olredalert]

-----No offense Steved,but I have just lost interest in anything you have to say...........Bill S

[Steve_Hoog]

No offense taken Bill.

[Jeff H]

It's not really about integrity, it's about documentation vs memory, and I know my memory isn't good enough to remember details from last year let alone 20+ years ago.