1970 gto judge ram air IV

[JoeG]

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[JoeG]

Don't get me wrong it would be very [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] if one was assembled in the factory---I hope your search proves everyone wrong--JoeG

[GTO_DON]

Here we go again with this magical gto.show us the phs or a build sheet and lets put it to rest! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif[/img] i would also like to have all the date codes off the block,heads,intake ,carb,and distributor and lets not forget the exhaust manifolds! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]

[Steve_Hoog]

Don

I do hope that the owner will oblige the board and public in general with your request, I know he is watching this with interest.

In the mean time and article from Smoke Signal in 99 after an interview with one of the Knafel's.

[Steve_Hoog]

And turn the page.

[JoeC]

The "MEMO" car is interesting. I think Chevy used it also. There was a COPO 68 4-door Impala 396 cop car at Carlisle with gauge dash and 140 speedo. Upper right corner of trim tag was stamped "MEMO"

[Steve_Hoog]

The owner has allowed me to post the PHS, sweet........

First a couple of things: If you will review Pete McCarthy's words of wisdom concerning SD cars in his book, I believe you will find he points out they were listed as "memo" and "spec equip". My copy is at work, so I can't verify that %100.

Second: Bill Knafel has stated that all cars delivered to him back door from The Hobby Shop (Pontiac Engineering/Racing), were delivered with headers. This doesn't have any bearing on proof, but the owner wanted me to mention it. Don't let the pricing on the PHS throw you off in your conclusion.

Now the VIN has been sprayed out at the owners request. He has much more on the car, hopefully he will respond soon.

Steve

[GTO_DON]

Steve, im glad you posted the build sheet. this is not the first time ive seen memo on build sheets. i keep copys of all phs docs of all gto's and judges i come across and i have a few phs docs with memo on it on non ram air cars. But i do understand its an interesting fact! special equip can also mean headers in the trunk. I think if the car was a true ra v car, there would not be raiv on the phs,check this with jim. even on copo cars the build sheet would not list both engines. And if they did ever put a ra v in a gto, [which would be like a ZL1] you would think the price of it on the phs would be more like 3000.00 like the ZL1.If you want i'll try to post the phs docs i got..... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif[/img]

[MotownMadman]

I had a long conversation with Jim on the phone concerning this thread last night, he indicated to me that he was aware of this very car in Tulsa Ok., and that it was not assembled at the factory with the V engine. I see today from the one article that the car is in Tulsa(or was) so I am certain he knows which car this is. I am not saying one way or the other on this, only what I was told. Jim is very busy at the moment or more input may have already been posted, but in my opinion if the owner of the company called Pontiac Historical Services makes a statement concerning a vintage Pontiac, and I might add a very adamant statement, I would have to go with what he knows. Jim is a walking history book on these cars, I cant see a opinion coming from him in A public forum concerning any car unless he was absolutly certain. Pontiac is not the only division who had "Memo" on their build sheets, that could mean about anything in the way of special equip. These rarities are explained by the experts in the field, Jim being that person for Pontiac, even what was done in engineering is no secret to the experts in the field. Example; the one and only 68 Z ragtop, yes it was built into a Z on the assembly line, however, the cross ram and rear disc was done in engineering. This is knowledge that Jim and his friends and coworkers shared with all the cars owners, including the present. he would know if the car was assembled in engineering, which even if it was that is not a factory built assembly line car, it really would make it no different then a dealer assembled car, as with the one in question.
Thanks,
Motown [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

[Norm reynolds]

Motown amen [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]
Special equip could mean a lot of deferent things on the PHS it shows ram IV
I would think a Ram air v run a little more than $ 105.00
This debate will go on forever I have heard the same thing about factory built Buick stage II. Pontiac RAM V and Buick stage II was never Build at the factory I could see a dealer Order special equip and the factory put ram v equip in the trunk for the dealer to install But not at $105.00 Jim is the expert and has spent a lot of time getting the facts and has nothing to gain to say that this car is not a factory ram v