Any 2002 ZL1's left to buy?

[GRB]

I doubt a small cartel of car enthusiast could effect the price of muscle cars to qny great degree. Now. Get the Hunt brothers involved...(I've still got hundreds of pounds of almost worthless silver).

I doubt many people are buying these new ZL-1s with the expectation of taking anything BUT a financial bath unless they are willing to keep the car a long time. And that is still an iffy situation. I plan on leaving mine to my now 3 week old (but 10 weeks premature) grandson. Given what he is going to go through I figure he will have earned it.

Yeah, I know there are a lot of things that will probably be worth a lot more than an old catfish, but, this is the car I've always wanted and I hope he will appreciate it. If not, no big deal because I'm going to love the car. Went over to Matt's to see it today in fact!

[tom406]

These issues of class warfare keep bubbling under the veneer of this site. These issues have been around since the dawn of time, so its not surprising to find them on a site dedicated to what are now potentially six-figure collectibles.

It's sad, though, because its all relative. For every envious middle-class guy begrudging a billionaire, there's a lower-class guy envying the middle class guy's 3-car garage and "regular" old cars. And there's probably some poor downtrodden guy in Russia or China who's pissed off that we're all bent about rebodying a car when he's only seen them in old magazines he was given, and will probably never leave his parent's apartment, much less own a car of any sort in his life.

Sure its about the money, SSRS350, for everyone. But you and I are probably more affected by it than some of the wealthier folks on the board. I know for some of them, while they certainly don't like to piss money away, the money they gain or lose on the cars isn't significant-they make their money elsewhere. But mostly I find collectors who make very real sacrifices in their retirement plans, and their houses, to facilitate the cars they buy.

So how are the dealers/wholesalers/semi-professional curbstoners possibly more affected? Well, you brought up the money thing with the list of wholesale cars. The whole tone was "look at the bath these stupid people took on these cars". I know in my case, the longer I do cars for profit, the harder it is to enjoy and blow money on my personal cars. It's very difficult to separate the many cars you buy to turn a profit on from the "keepers". If you're like me, and I suspect most are, it becomes very difficult to sink money into a keeper when you know in the back of your mind that YOU'LL NEVER GET IT BACK. It's not greed so much is that it runs counter to everything you're geared to do in your professional career. I think its unfair to play the "money" card when I think it colors your views as much as the ones you're targeting with these comments. It's the whole POT/KETTLE/BLACK thing.

So are there rich egotistical jerks on this site? Probably. Are there dealer-types whose views are distorted by their profession, at least compared to the hobbyist guys? Yes! Me and several others. Are there angry misanthropes who hate everyone who has more cars/money/land/women? Always. But you'll find this mix of people everywhere.

I know I'm stirring the pot a bit, but could we eventually get back to the stuff that drew me to this site?-i.e. GEEK stuff like "I have 70 build sheets from Norwood-built '68 Camaros and I think that the CU code in box 35 signifies HD suspension WITH redline tires but WITHOUT tinted glass..."

After all, geekinees knows no class boundaries. People of all backgrounds think we're wierd.... [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]